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Lou Say

Louis I. Say

Position: Shortstop
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 7", Weight: 145 lb.

Born: February 4, 1854 in Baltimore, MD (All Transactions)
Debut: April 14, 1873
Teams (by GP): Monumentals/Orioles/Athletics/Reds/Canaries/... 1873-1884

Final Game: October 19, 1884
Died: June 5, 1930 in Fallston, MD
Buried: Hartford County Home Cemetery, Bel Air, MD
Relatives: Brother of Jimmy Say
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Standard Batting

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1873 19 MAR NA 3 12 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .333 10 2 0 0 /6O
1874 20 BAL NA 18 66 66 4 14 3 0 0 5 0 0 0 1 .212 .212 .258 .470 48 17 1 0 6
1875 21 WAS NA 11 38 38 4 10 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 .263 .263 .263 .526 86 10 0 0 /64O
1880 26 CIN NL 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48 0 6
1882 28 PHA AA 49 207 199 35 45 4 3 1 28 8 .226 .256 .291 .547 76 58 0 6
1883 29 BAL AA 74 334 324 52 83 13 2 1 0 10 .256 .278 .318 .596 89 103 0 *6
1884 30 TOT UA 95 422 409 71 95 16 2 3 0 13 .232 .256 .303 .559 84 124 0 *6/4
1884 30 BLU UA 78 350 339 65 81 14 2 2 0 11 .239 .263 .310 .573 85 105 0 *6
1884 30 KCC UA 17 72 70 6 14 2 0 1 0 2 .200 .222 .271 .494 76 19 0 6/4
7 Seasons 298 1274 1239 181 287 44 8 5 52 0 0 35 39 .232 .253 .292 .545 77 362 1 0
162 Game Avg. 162 693 674 98 156 24 4 3 28 19 .232 .253 .292 .545 77 197 0
PHA (1 yr) 49 207 199 35 45 4 3 1 28 8 .226 .256 .291 .547 76 58 0
CIN (1 yr) 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48 0
BLU (1 yr) 78 350 339 65 81 14 2 2 0 11 .239 .263 .310 .573 85 105 0
MAR (1 yr) 3 12 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .333 10 2 0 0
BAL (1 yr) 74 334 324 52 83 13 2 1 0 10 .256 .278 .318 .596 89 103 0
WAS (1 yr) 11 38 38 4 10 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 .263 .263 .263 .526 86 10 0 0
KCC (1 yr) 17 72 70 6 14 2 0 1 0 2 .200 .222 .271 .494 76 19 0
BAL (1 yr) 18 66 66 4 14 3 0 0 5 0 0 0 1 .212 .212 .258 .470 48 17 1 0
UA (1 yr) 95 422 409 71 95 16 2 3 0 13 .232 .256 .303 .559 84 124 0
NA (3 yrs) 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
AA (2 yrs) 123 541 523 87 128 17 5 2 28 18 .245 .270 .308 .578 84 161 0
NL (1 yr) 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48 0

Player Value--Batters

WAR: 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Strtr, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl.
Year Age Tm Lg PA Rbat Rbaser Rroe Rdp Rfield Rpos Rrep RAR WAR oRAR oWAR dWAR Salary Pos Awards
1873 19 MAR NA 12 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 -2 -0.1 -1 -0.1 0.0 $ /6O
1874 20 BAL NA 66 -5 -1 0 0 0 1 2 -3 -0.1 -3 -0.2 0.1 $ 6
1875 21 WAS NA 38 -2 0 0 0 -4 1 1 -4 -0.3 0 0.0 -0.3 $ /64O
1880 26 CIN NL 195 -12 -1 0 0 -8 3 6 -12 -1.2 -4 -0.4 -0.8 $ 6
1882 28 PHA AA 207 -3 1 0 0 5 3 3 9 1.0 4 0.4 0.6 $ 6
1883 29 BAL AA 334 -10 0 0 0 -7 5 5 -7 -0.6 0 0.0 -0.6 $ *6
1884 30 BLU UA 350 -2 1 0 0 -13 5 0 -9 -0.9 4 0.4 -1.3 $ *6
1884 30 KCC UA 72 -3 0 0 0 -1 1 0 -3 -0.3 -2 -0.2 -0.1 $ 6/4
7 Seasons 1274 -38 0 0 0 -29 19 17 -31 -2.5 -2 -0.1 -2.4 $
PHA (1 yr) 207 -3 1 0 0 5 3 3 9 1.0 4 0.4 0.6 $
CIN (1 yr) 195 -12 -1 0 0 -8 3 6 -12 -1.2 -4 -0.4 -0.8 $
BLU (1 yr) 350 -2 1 0 0 -13 5 0 -9 -0.9 4 0.4 -1.3 $
MAR (1 yr) 12 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 -2 -0.1 -1 -0.1 0.0 $
BAL (1 yr) 334 -10 0 0 0 -7 5 5 -7 -0.6 0 0.0 -0.6 $
WAS (1 yr) 38 -2 0 0 0 -4 1 1 -4 -0.3 0 0.0 -0.3 $
KCC (1 yr) 72 -3 0 0 0 -1 1 0 -3 -0.3 -2 -0.2 -0.1 $
BAL (1 yr) 66 -5 -1 0 0 0 1 2 -3 -0.1 -3 -0.2 0.1 $

Advanced Batting

Year Age Tm Lg PA Outs RC RC/G AIR BAbip BA lgBA OBP lgOBP SLG lgSLG OPS lgOPS OPS+ OWn% BtRuns BtWins TotA SecA ISO PwrSpd
1873 19 MAR NA 12 10 0 0.0 66 .167 .167 .266 .167 .279 .167 .330 .333 .609 10 .000 -1.1 -0.1 .200 .000 .000
1874 20 BAL NA 66 53 4 2.0 73 .215 .212 .281 .212 .290 .258 .345 .470 .635 48 .220 -3.7 -0.4 .321 .045 .045
1875 21 WAS NA 38 28 3 2.9 55 .323 .263 .253 .263 .260 .263 .310 .526 .570 86 .437 -0.6 -0.1 .357 .000 .000
1880 26 CIN NL 195 153 10 1.7 60 .238 .199 .245 .215 .267 .251 .322 .467 .589 59 .251 -7.8 -0.9 .052
1882 28 PHA AA 207 154 15 2.6 69 .222 .226 .259 .256 .287 .291 .335 .547 .622 76 .405 -5.1 -0.6 .065
1883 29 BAL AA 334 241 29 3.2 72 .254 .256 .260 .278 .290 .318 .343 .596 .634 89 .454 -3.9 -0.4 .062
1884 30 TOT UA 422 314 32 2.6 66 .227 .232 .253 .256 .281 .303 .328 .559 .609 84 .403 -2.9 -0.3 .071
1884 30 BLU UA 350 258 28 2.8 68 .234 .239 .257 .263 .285 .310 .333 .573 .619 85 .431 -2.1 -0.2 .071
1884 30 KCC UA 72 56 4 1.8 53 .188 .200 .233 .222 .259 .271 .302 .494 .562 76 .261 -0.9 -0.1 .071
7 Seasons 1274 953 93 2.6 67 .236 .232 .256 .253 .282 .292 .333 .545 .615 77 .380 -25.1 -2.9 .417 .089 .061 .0
162 Game Avg. 693 518 51 2.6 67 .236 .232 .256 .253 .282 .292 .333 .545 .615 77 .380 -25.1 -2.9 .417 .089 .061
PHA (1 yr) 207 154 15 2.6 69 .222 .226 .259 .256 .287 .291 .335 .547 .622 76 .404 -5.1 -0.6 .065
CIN (1 yr) 195 153 10 1.7 60 .238 .199 .245 .215 .267 .251 .322 .467 .589 59 .251 -7.8 -0.9 .052
BLU (1 yr) 350 258 28 2.8 68 .234 .239 .257 .263 .285 .310 .333 .573 .619 85 .432 -2.1 -0.2 .071
MAR (1 yr) 12 10 0 0.0 66 .167 .167 .266 .167 .279 .167 .330 .333 .609 10 .000 -1.1 -0.1 .200 .000 .000
BAL (1 yr) 334 241 29 3.2 72 .254 .256 .260 .278 .290 .318 .343 .596 .634 89 .454 -3.9 -0.4 .062
WAS (1 yr) 38 28 3 2.9 55 .323 .263 .253 .263 .260 .263 .310 .526 .570 86 .437 -0.6 -0.1 .357 .000 .000
KCC (1 yr) 72 56 4 1.9 53 .188 .200 .233 .222 .259 .271 .302 .494 .562 76 .261 -0.9 -0.1 .071
BAL (1 yr) 66 53 4 2.0 73 .215 .212 .281 .212 .290 .258 .345 .470 .635 48 .221 -3.7 -0.4 .321 .045 .045
UA (1 yr) 422 314 32 2.6 66 .227 .232 .253 .256 .281 .303 .328 .559 .609 84 .404 -2.9 -0.3 .071
NA (3 yrs) 116 91 7 2.1 66 .241 .224 .270 .224 .279 .250 .332 .474 .611 56 .240 -5.3 -0.6 .319 .026 .026
AA (2 yrs) 541 395 44 3.0 71 .242 .245 .260 .270 .289 .308 .340 .578 .629 84 .436 -9.0 -1.0 .063
NL (1 yr) 195 153 10 1.7 60 .238 .199 .245 .215 .267 .251 .322 .467 .589 59 .251 -7.8 -0.9 .052

Ratio Batting*

Year Age Tm Lg PA HR% SO% BB% XBH% X/H% SO/BB AB/SO AB/HR AB/RBI GB/FB GO/AO IP% LD% HR/FB IF/FB
1873 19 MAR NA 12 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0% 6.0 100%
1874 20 BAL NA 66 0.0% 1.5% 0.0% 4.6% 21% 66.0 13.2 98%
1875 21 WAS NA 38 0.0% 18.4% 0.0% 0.0% 0% 5.4 19.0 82%
1880 26 CIN NL 195 0.0% 15.9% 2.1% 4.6% 24% 7.75 6.2 12.7 82%
1882 28 PHA AA 207 0.5% 3.9% 3.9% 18% 199.0 7.1 96%
1883 29 BAL AA 334 0.3% 3.0% 4.8% 19% 324.0 97%
1884 30 TOT UA 422 0.7% 3.1% 5.0% 22% 136.3 96%
1884 30 BLU UA 350 0.6% 3.1% 5.1% 22% 169.5 96%
1884 30 KCC UA 72 1.4% 2.8% 4.2% 21% 70.0 96%
7 Seasons 1274 0.4% 3.1% 2.8% 4.5% 20% 1.11 7.9 247.8 23.8 94%
MLB Averages 0.4% 4.6% 3.2% 5.3% 22% 1.44 21.0 258.6 12.3 92%

Cumulative Batting

Year Age G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
1873 19 3 12 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .333 10 2 0 0
1874 20 21 78 78 5 16 3 0 0 7 0 0 0 1 .205 .205 .244 .449 42 19 1 0
1875 21 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
1876 22 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
1877 23 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
1878 24 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
1879 25 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1 0
1880 26 80 311 307 23 64 11 1 0 24 0 0 4 39 .208 .219 .251 .469 57 77 1 0
1881 27 80 311 307 23 64 11 1 0 24 0 0 4 39 .208 .219 .251 .469 57 77 1 0
1882 28 129 518 506 58 109 15 4 1 52 0 0 12 39 .215 .234 .267 .500 65 135 1 0
1883 29 203 852 830 110 192 28 6 2 52 0 0 22 39 .231 .251 .287 .538 74 238 1 0
1884 30 298 1274 1239 181 287 44 8 5 52 0 0 35 39 .232 .253 .292 .545 77 362 1 0

Neutralized Batting

Change to: Default / 750 Runs / 1968 Dodgers / 2000 Rockies or

All seasons are converted to 162-game seasons &
average team scoring of 716 total runs (4.42 R/G) How this works
Year Age G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS RC Gact
1873 19 11 44 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 3
1874 20 50 173 173 6 28 6 0 0 8 0 0 3 .162 .162 .197 .358 6 18
1875 21 34 112 112 9 26 0 0 0 5 0 0 21 .232 .232 .232 .464 6 11
1880 26 91 370 363 26 71 15 2 0 28 0 7 59 .196 .211 .248 .459 19 48
1882 28 102 413 399 54 79 7 5 2 43 0 14 0 .198 .225 .256 .481 23 49
1883 29 122 527 513 63 115 18 3 1 0 0 14 0 .224 .245 .277 .522 35 74
1884 30 217 926 901 122 185 31 4 6 0 0 25 0 .205 .227 .269 .495 55 95
7 Seasons 627 2565 2505 280 504 77 14 9 84 0 60 83 .201 .220 .254 .474 144 298
162 Game Avg. 162 663 647 72 130 20 4 2 22 16 .201 .220 .254 .474 37 298

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Defensive WAR† s c a p y
1882 AA  0.6 (8th)

Runs Batted In s c a p y
1882 AA  28 (10th)

Outs Made s c a p y
1884 UA  314 (10th)

Youngest s c a p y
1873 NA  born 1854-02-04 (6th)
1874 NA  born 1854-02-04 (10th)

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray InkBatting - 4 (1843), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 1 (2891), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Similarity Scores

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