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Lou Say

Louis I. Say

Position: Shortstop
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 7", Weight: 145 lb.

Born: February 4, 1854 in Baltimore, MD (All Transactions)
Debut: April 14, 1873 (Age 19.069, 180th in MLB history)
Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 1880 season [*]
Teams (by GP): Monumentals/Orioles/Athletics/Reds/Canaries/... 1873-1884

Last Game: October 19, 1884 (Age 30.258)
Died: June 5, 1930 in Fallston, MD
Buried: Hartford County Home Cemetery, Bel Air, MD
Relatives: Brother of Jimmy Say
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Standard Batting

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1873 19 MAR NA 3 12 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .333 10 2 0 /6O
1874 20 BAL NA 18 66 66 4 14 3 0 0 5 0 0 0 1 .212 .212 .258 .470 49 17 1 6
1875 21 WAS NA 11 38 38 4 10 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 .263 .263 .263 .526 85 10 0 /64O
1880 26 CIN NL 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48 6
1882 28 PHA AA 49 207 199 35 45 4 3 1 28 8 .226 .256 .291 .547 77 58 6
1883 29 BAL AA 74 334 324 52 83 13 2 1 10 .256 .278 .318 .596 90 103 *6
1884 30 TOT UA 95 422 409 71 95 16 2 3 13 .232 .256 .303 .559 82 124 *6/4
1884 30 BLU UA 78 350 339 65 81 14 2 2 11 .239 .263 .310 .573 84 105 *6
1884 30 KCC UA 17 72 70 6 14 2 0 1 2 .200 .222 .271 .494 74 19 6/4
7 Yrs 298 1274 1239 181 287 44 8 5 52 0 0 35 39 .232 .253 .292 .545 78 362 1
162 Game Avg. 162 693 674 98 156 24 4 3 28 19 .232 .253 .292 .545 78 197
PHA (1 yr) 49 207 199 35 45 4 3 1 28 8 .226 .256 .291 .547 77 58
CIN (1 yr) 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48
BLU (1 yr) 78 350 339 65 81 14 2 2 11 .239 .263 .310 .573 84 105
MAR (1 yr) 3 12 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 .167 .333 10 2 0
BAL (1 yr) 74 334 324 52 83 13 2 1 10 .256 .278 .318 .596 90 103
WAS (1 yr) 11 38 38 4 10 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 7 .263 .263 .263 .526 85 10 0
KCC (1 yr) 17 72 70 6 14 2 0 1 2 .200 .222 .271 .494 74 19
BAL (1 yr) 18 66 66 4 14 3 0 0 5 0 0 0 1 .212 .212 .258 .470 49 17 1
UA (1 yr) 95 422 409 71 95 16 2 3 13 .232 .256 .303 .559 82 124
NA (3 yrs) 32 116 116 9 26 3 0 0 9 0 0 0 8 .224 .224 .250 .474 56 29 1
AA (2 yrs) 123 541 523 87 128 17 5 2 28 18 .245 .270 .308 .578 85 161
NL (1 yr) 48 195 191 14 38 8 1 0 15 4 31 .199 .215 .251 .467 59 48

Player Value--Batters

WAR Explained (v2.2): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
1873 19 MAR NA 3 12 -1 0 0 -1 0 -2 -0.1 0 -1 -0.1 .461 .499 -0.0 -0.1 -0 /6O
1874 20 BAL NA 18 66 -4 0 0 0 1 -3 -0.2 2 -1 -0.0 .488 .499 0.0 0.1 -1 6
1875 21 WAS NA 11 38 -1 0 0 -4 1 -5 -0.4 1 -4 -0.3 .463 .497 0.1 -0.3 0 /64O
1880 26 CIN NL 48 195 -9 0 0 -8 3 -14 -1.4 7 -7 -0.7 .472 .492 0.2 -0.5 1 6
1882 28 PHA AA 49 207 -6 0 0 5 3 3 0.3 4 7 0.8 .505 .502 0.3 0.8 2 6
1883 29 BAL AA 74 334 -4 0 0 -7 5 -6 -0.5 7 1 0.2 .493 .497 0.9 -0.2 8 *6
1884 30 BLU UA 78 350 -8 0 0 -13 5 -16 -1.2 0 -16 -1.1 .482 .491 -0.2 -0.5 -3 *6
1884 30 KCC UA 17 72 -1 0 0 -1 1 -1 -0.1 0 -1 -0.1 .494 .499 -0.0 0.1 -0 6/4
7 Seasons 298 1274 -33 0 0 -29 19 -43 -3.7 22 -21 -1.2 .487 .496 1.1 -0.6 8
PHA (1 yr) 49 207 -6 0 0 5 3 3 0.3 4 7 0.8 .505 .502 0.3 0.8 2
CIN (1 yr) 48 195 -9 0 0 -8 3 -14 -1.4 7 -7 -0.7 .472 .492 0.2 -0.5 1
BLU (1 yr) 78 350 -8 0 0 -13 5 -16 -1.2 0 -16 -1.1 .482 .491 -0.2 -0.5 -3
MAR (1 yr) 3 12 -1 0 0 -1 0 -2 -0.1 0 -1 -0.1 .461 .499 -0.0 -0.1 -0
BAL (1 yr) 74 334 -4 0 0 -7 5 -6 -0.5 7 1 0.2 .493 .497 0.9 -0.2 8
WAS (1 yr) 11 38 -1 0 0 -4 1 -5 -0.4 1 -4 -0.3 .463 .497 0.1 -0.3 0
KCC (1 yr) 17 72 -1 0 0 -1 1 -1 -0.1 0 -1 -0.1 .494 .499 -0.0 0.1 -0
BAL (1 yr) 18 66 -4 0 0 0 1 -3 -0.2 2 -1 -0.0 .488 .499 0.0 0.1 -1

Standard Fielding

More Stats

Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1873 MAR NA 19 SS 2 15 3 7 5 0 .667 5.00 .779 5.05
1873 MAR NA 19 OF 1 4 4 0 0 0 1.000 4.00 .802 2.00 0-0-1
1874 BAL NA 20 SS 18 126 16 83 27 0 .786 5.50 .786 4.69
1875 WAS NA 21 SS 8 63 13 31 19 0 .698 5.50 .816 4.62
1875 WAS NA 21 2B 2 7 2 3 2 0 .714 2.50 .837 5.90
1875 WAS NA 21 OF 1 3 1 0 2 0 .333 1.00 .817 1.90 0-1-0
1880 CIN NL 26 SS 48 262 54 164 44 11 .832 4.54 .882 4.38
1882 PHA AA 28 SS 49 301 69 192 40 7 .867 5.33 .859 4.91
1883 BAL AA 29 SS 74 399 76 241 82 13 .794 4.28 .836 3.94
1884 TOT UA 30 SS 94 531 128 301 102 19 .808 4.56 .816 3.96
1884 BLU UA 30 SS 78 424 103 234 87 16 .795 4.32 .816 3.96
1884 KCC UA 30 SS 16 107 25 67 15 3 .860 5.75 .816 3.96
1884 KCC UA 30 2B 1 4 3 1 0 0 1.000 4.00 .870 5.50
7 Seasons SS 293 1697 359 1019 319 50 .812 4.70 .836 4.25
2 Seasons 2B 3 11 5 4 2 0 .818 3.00 .849 5.77
2 Seasons OF 2 7 5 0 2 0 .714 2.50 .809 1.95 0-1-1
7 Seasons TOT 298 1715 369 1023 323 50 .812 4.67 .836 4.25 0-1-1
Note: Complete player games played data.
Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1938 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1938 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1938 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1914 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1938 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1914) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
  • For detailed information on which games retrosheet is missing play-by-play from 1938 to 1973, please see their most wanted games list
  • For detailed information on the availability of data on this site by year, see our data coverage page

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Defensive WARs c a p y
1882 AA  0.8 (7th)

Runs Batted In s c a p y
1882 AA  28 (10th)

Outs Made s c a p y
1884 UA  314 (10th)

Assistss c a p y
1884 UA  302 (1st)

Errors Committeds c a p y
1883 AA  82 (4th)
1884 UA  102 (1st)

Def. Games as SS s c a p y
1882 AA  49 (5th)
1884 UA  94 (3rd)

Putouts as SS s c a p y
1882 AA  69 (4th)
1884 UA  128 (1st)

Assists as SS s c a p y
1882 AA  192 (5th)
1883 AA  241 (5th)
1884 UA  301 (1st)

Errors Committed as SS s c a p y
1880 NL  44 (3rd)
1882 AA  40 (5th)
1883 AA  82 (1st)
1884 UA  102 (1st)
Career  319 (62nd)

Double Plays Turned as SS s c a p y
1884 UA  19 (1st)

Range Factor/Game as SS s c a p y
1880 NL  4.54 (4th)
1882 AA  5.33 (2nd)
1883 AA  4.28 (2nd)
1884 UA  4.56 (1st)

Fielding % as SS s c a p y
1884 UA  .808 (2nd)

Youngest s c a p y
1873 NA  born 1854-02-04 (6th)
1874 NA  born 1854-02-04 (9th)

                                         

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray InkBatting - 4 (1903), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 1 (2996), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Shortstop (1015th), -1.2 career WAR/-1.2 7yr-peak WAR/-1.2 JAWS
Average HOF SS (out of 21) = 66.7 career WAR/42.8 7yr-peak WAR/54.7 JAWS

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