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Cinders O'Brien

John F. O'Brien

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 10", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: April 15, 1867 in Troy, NY (All Transactions)
Debut: June 23, 1888 (Age 21.069, 1,267th in MLB history)
Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 1888 season [*]
Teams (by GP): Spiders/Reds/Blues/Infants 1888-1891

Last Game: October 2, 1891 (Age 24.170)
Died: March 11, 1892 in West Troy, NY
Buried: St. Patrick Cemetery, Watervliet, NY
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Standard Pitching

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Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 11 19 .367 3.30 30 30 0 30 1 0 259.0 245 162 95 5 99 135 12 0 37 1129 92 3.08 1.328 8.5 0.2 3.4 4.7 1.36
1889 22 CLV NL 22 17 .564 4.15 41 41 0 39 1 0 346.2 345 216 160 9 167 122 24 0 27 1560 100 4.29 1.477 9.0 0.2 4.3 3.2 0.73
1890 23 CLE PL 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 4.59 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58
1891 24 BOS AA 18 13 .581 3.65 40 30 9 22 0 2 268.2 300 197 109 13 127 87 20 0 13 1246 99 4.15 1.589 10.0 0.4 4.3 2.9 0.69
4 Yrs 59 65 .476 3.68 136 126 9 113 2 2 1080.2 1119 746 442 36 486 398 75 0 96 4898 101 4.02 1.485 9.3 0.3 4.0 3.3 0.82
162 Game Avg. 15 17 .476 3.68 35 33 2 29 1 1 280 290 194 115 9 126 103 19 0 25 1271 101 4.02 1.485 9.3 0.3 4.0 3.3 0.82
CLV (2 yrs) 33 36 .478 3.79 71 71 0 69 2 0 605.2 590 378 255 14 266 257 36 0 64 2689 97 3.77 1.413 8.8 0.2 4.0 3.8 0.97
BOS (1 yr) 18 13 .581 3.65 40 30 9 22 0 2 268.2 300 197 109 13 127 87 20 0 13 1246 99 4.15 1.589 10.0 0.4 4.3 2.9 0.69
CLE (1 yr) 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 4.59 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58
AA (2 yrs) 29 32 .475 3.48 70 60 9 52 1 2 527.2 545 359 204 18 226 222 32 0 50 2375 96 3.62 1.461 9.3 0.3 3.9 3.8 0.98
NL (1 yr) 22 17 .564 4.15 41 41 0 39 1 0 346.2 345 216 160 9 167 122 24 0 27 1560 100 4.29 1.477 9.0 0.2 4.3 3.2 0.73
PL (1 yr) 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 4.59 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58
Hold your mouse over the values in the Saves, ERA, or FIP columns for additional information.

Player Value--Pitchers

WAR Explained (v2.2): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg IP G GS R RA9 RA9opp RA9def RA9role PPFp RA9avg RAA WAA gmLI WAAadj WAR RAR waaWL% 162WL% Salary Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 259.0 30 30 162 5.63 5.24 -0.42 0.00 101.0 5.72 1 0.1 -0.3 1.3 19 .503 .501 $900
1889 22 CLV NL 346.2 41 41 216 5.61 5.99 0.35 0.00 105.0 5.92 16 1.4 -0.3 4.3 55 .534 .509 $1,750
1890 23 CLE PL 206.1 25 25 171 7.46 6.94 -0.44 0.00 94.0 6.93 -11 -0.8 -0.2 0.3 8 .466 .495
1891 24 BOS AA 268.2 40 30 197 6.60 5.63 0.22 0.00 99.0 5.36 -36 -2.9 1.0 -0.3 -1.3 -14 .428 .482
4 Seasons 1080.2 136 126 746 6.21 5.90 -0.01 0.00 100.4 5.92 -30 -2.2 1.0 -1.2 4.6 68 .484 .497 $2,650
CLV (2 yrs) 605.2 71 71 378 5.62 5.67 0.02 0.00 103.3 5.83 17 1.5 -0.7 5.6 74 .521 .505 $2,650
BOS (1 yr) 268.2 40 30 197 6.60 5.63 0.22 0.00 99.0 5.36 -36 -2.9 1.0 -0.3 -1.3 -14 .428 .482
CLE (1 yr) 206.1 25 25 171 7.46 6.94 -0.44 0.00 94.0 6.93 -11 -0.8 -0.2 0.3 8 .466 .495

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 32 114 109 13 20 1 0 0 9 2 4 21 .183 .219 .193 .412 35 21 1 1/O
1889 22 CLV NL 41 153 140 13 35 1 0 0 18 2 12 18 .250 .314 .257 .571 58 36 1 1
1890 23 CLE PL 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0 1/O
1891 24 BOS AA 41 137 128 19 30 1 0 0 10 3 8 17 .234 .285 .242 .527 50 31 1 1
4 Yrs 140 502 473 57 100 4 1 0 43 7 26 62 .211 .257 .224 .481 39 106 3
162 Game Avg. 162 581 547 66 116 5 1 0 50 8 30 72 .211 .257 .224 .481 39 123 3
CLV (2 yrs) 73 267 249 26 55 2 0 0 27 4 16 39 .221 .273 .229 .502 49 57 2
BOS (1 yr) 41 137 128 19 30 1 0 0 10 3 8 17 .234 .285 .242 .527 50 31 1
CLE (1 yr) 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0
AA (2 yrs) 73 251 237 32 50 2 0 0 19 5 12 38 .211 .255 .219 .474 43 52 2
NL (1 yr) 41 153 140 13 35 1 0 0 18 2 12 18 .250 .314 .257 .571 58 36 1
PL (1 yr) 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0

Player Value--Batters

WAR Explained (v2.2): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 32 114 -8 -1 0 0 7 -1 -0.1 0 -1 -0.1 .496 .499 -0.1 0.0 -1 $900 1/O
1889 22 CLV NL 41 153 -8 -0 0 0 12 4 0.3 0 4 0.3 .508 .502 0.3 -0.0 4 $1,750 1
1890 23 CLE PL 26 98 -14 0 0 0 7 -7 -0.5 0 -7 -0.5 .479 .497 -0.5 0.0 -7 1/O
1891 24 BOS AA 41 137 -9 -0 0 0 10 1 0.1 0 1 0.1 .501 .500 0.0 0.0 1 1
4 Seasons 140 502 -39 -1 0 0 37 -4 -0.3 0 -4 -0.3 .498 .500 -0.3 0.0 -4 $2,650
CLV (2 yrs) 73 267 -16 -1 0 0 19 2 0.2 0 2 0.2 .503 .501 0.2 -0.0 2 $2,650
BOS (1 yr) 41 137 -9 -0 0 0 10 1 0.1 0 1 0.1 .501 .500 0.0 0.0 1
CLE (1 yr) 26 98 -14 0 0 0 7 -7 -0.5 0 -7 -0.5 .479 .497 -0.5 0.0 -7

Standard Fielding

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Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1888 CLE AA 21 P 30 259.0 87 16 62 9 2 .897 2.71 2.60 .891 2.45 2.41
1888 CLE AA 21 OF 2 1 0 1 0 0 1.000 0.50 .910 1.85 0-0-2
1889 CLV NL 22 P 41 346.2 102 25 70 7 3 .931 2.47 2.32 .905 2.22 2.16
1890 CLE PL 23 P 25 206.1 56 9 45 2 2 .964 2.36 2.16 .912 2.80 2.72
1890 CLE PL 23 OF 1 1 0 1 0 0 1.000 1.00 .900 2.10 1-0-0
1891 BOS AA 24 P 40 268.2 65 11 50 4 4 .938 2.04 1.53 .908 2.55 2.46
4 Seasons P 136 1080.2 310 61 227 22 11 .929 2.40 2.12 .903 2.47 2.41
2 Seasons OF 3 2 0 2 0 0 1.000 0.67 .905 1.93 1-0-2
4 Seasons TOT 139 1080.2 312 61 229 22 11 .929 2.40 2.09 .903 2.47 2.40 1-0-2
Note: Complete player games played data.
Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1938 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1938 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1938 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1914 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1938 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1914) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
  • For detailed information on which games retrosheet is missing play-by-play from 1938 to 1973, please see their most wanted games list
  • For detailed information on the availability of data on this site by year, see our data coverage page

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

WAR for Pitcherss c a p y
1889 NL  4.3 (9th)

Earned Run Average s c a p y
1890 PL  3.40 (6th)

Wins s c a p y
1889 NL  22 (6th)
1891 AA  18 (10th)

Win-Loss % s c a p y
1889 NL  .564 (8th)
1891 AA  .581 (9th)

Hits per 9 IP s c a p y
1889 NL  8.957 (9th)

Strikeouts per 9 IP s c a p y
1888 AA  4.691 (6th)

Games Played s c a p y
1889 NL  41 (9th)

Saves s c a p y
1891 AA  2 (2nd)

Innings Pitched s c a p y
1889 NL  346.7 (9th)

Games Started s c a p y
1889 NL  41 (7th)

Complete Games s c a p y
1889 NL  39 (3rd)

Home Runs s c a p y
1891 AA  13 (3rd)

Bases on Balls s c a p y
1888 AA  99 (8th)
1889 NL  167 (2nd)

Hits s c a p y
1889 NL  345 (8th)

Home Runs per 9 IP s c a p y
1889 NL  0.234 (5th)

Losses s c a p y
1888 AA  19 (8th)
1889 NL  17 (9th)
1890 PL  16 (10th)

Earned Runs s c a p y
1889 NL  160 (5th)
1891 AA  109 (10th)

Wild Pitches s c a p y
1888 AA  37 (7th)
1889 NL  27 (2nd)
1890 PL  19 (8th)
Career  96 (118th)

Hit By Pitch s c a p y
1889 NL  24 (1st)
1890 PL  19 (3rd)
1891 AA  20 (7th)
Career  75 (183rd)

Batters Faced s c a p y
1889 NL  1,560 (7th)

Games Finished s c a p y
1891 AA  9 (2nd)

Adjusted ERA+ s c a p y
1890 PL  117 (7th)

Putouts as P s c a p y
1889 NL  25 (2nd)

Fielding % as P s c a p y
1890 PL  .964 (1st)

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray InkPitching - 30 (804), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame MonitorPitching - 10 (1002), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsPitching - 3 (1775), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Starting Pitcher (1298th), 4.3 career WAR/4.3 7yr-peak WAR/4.3 JAWS
Average HOF P (out of 59) = 73.4 career WAR/50.2 7yr-peak WAR/61.8 JAWS

Transactions

  • June 20, 1888: Purchased by the Cleveland Blues from Lima (Tri-State) for $2,000.
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Salaries

Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses
Year Age Team Salary ServTm(OpnDay) Sources Notes/Other Sources
1888 21 Cleveland Blues $900 ? 1890 Spalding Guide
1889 22 Cleveland Spiders $1,750 ? 1890 Spalding Guide
Career to date (may be incomplete)$2,650
Primary salary Data (about) courtesy Doug Pappas, and the Society for American Baseball Research.
Additional 1915-1969 salaries researched via Baseball Hall of Fame contract archives by Dr. Michael Haupert of UW-LaCrosse.
Salaries for mid-season call-ups or traded players may not be shown.
Salaries converted to alternate years using Consumer Price Index (CPI) data courtesy of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve Board.

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