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Cinders O'Brien

John F. O'Brien

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 10", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: April 15, 1867 in Troy, NY (All Transactions)
Debut: June 23, 1888
Teams (by GP): Spiders/Reds/Blues/Infants 1888-1891

Final Game: October 2, 1891
Died: March 11, 1892 in West Troy, NY
Buried: St. Patrick Cemetery, Watervliet, NY
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All-Time Rank (among Pitchers): #1. Walter Johnson… #2. Cy Young… #3. Greg Maddux… #4. Christy Mathewson… #5. Pete Alexander… #6. Tom Seaver… #7. Randy Johnson… 

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Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 11 19 .367 3.30 30 30 0 30 1 0 259.0 245 162 95 5 99 135 12 0 37 1129 94 1.328 8.5 0.2 3.4 4.7 1.36
1889 22 CLV NL 22 17 .564 4.15 41 41 0 39 1 0 346.2 345 216 160 9 167 122 24 0 27 1560 102 1.477 9.0 0.2 4.3 3.2 0.73
1890 23 CLE PL 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58
1891 24 BOS AA 18 13 .581 3.65 40 30 9 22 0 2 268.2 300 197 109 13 127 87 20 0 13 1246 101 1.589 10.0 0.4 4.3 2.9 0.69
4 Seasons 59 65 .476 3.68 136 126 9 113 2 2 1080.2 1119 746 442 36 486 398 75 0 96 4898 102 1.485 9.3 0.3 4.0 3.3 0.82
162 Game Avg. 15 17 .476 3.68 35 33 2 29 1 1 280 290 194 115 9 126 103 19 0 25 1271 102 1.485 9.3 0.3 4.0 3.3 0.82
CLV (2 yrs) 33 36 .478 3.79 71 71 0 69 2 0 605.2 590 378 255 14 266 257 36 0 64 2689 99 1.413 8.8 0.2 4.0 3.8 0.97
BOS (1 yr) 18 13 .581 3.65 40 30 9 22 0 2 268.2 300 197 109 13 127 87 20 0 13 1246 101 1.589 10.0 0.4 4.3 2.9 0.69
CLE (1 yr) 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58
AA (2 yrs) AA 29 32 .475 3.48 70 60 9 52 1 2 527.2 545 359 204 18 226 222 32 0 50 2375 97 1.461 9.3 0.3 3.9 3.8 0.98
NL (1 yr) NL 22 17 .564 4.15 41 41 0 39 1 0 346.2 345 216 160 9 167 122 24 0 27 1560 102 1.477 9.0 0.2 4.3 3.2 0.73
PL (1 yr) PL 8 16 .333 3.40 25 25 0 22 0 0 206.1 229 171 78 9 93 54 19 0 19 963 117 1.561 10.0 0.4 4.1 2.4 0.58

Player Value--Pitchers

WAR: 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Strtr, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl.
Year Age Tm Lg IP GS R Rrep Rdef aLI RAR WAR Salary Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 259.0 30 162 173 -9 1.0 11 1.9 $
1889 22 CLV NL 346.2 41 216 263 9 1.0 47 3.2 $
1890 23 CLE PL 206.1 25 171 183 -7 1.0 12 0.6 $
1891 24 BOS AA 268.2 30 197 207 4 1.0 10 -0.6 $
4 Seasons 1080.2 126 746 826 -3 1.0 80 5.1 $
CLV (2 yrs) 605.2 71 378 436 0 1.0 58 5.1 $
BOS (1 yr) 268.2 30 197 207 4 1.0 10 -0.6 $
CLE (1 yr) 206.1 25 171 183 -7 1.0 12 0.6 $

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 32 114 109 13 20 1 0 0 9 2 4 .183 .219 .193 .412 34 21 1 1/O
1889 22 CLV NL 41 153 140 13 35 1 0 0 18 2 12 18 .250 .314 .257 .571 57 36 1 1
1890 23 CLE PL 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0 1/O
1891 24 BOS AA 41 137 128 19 30 1 0 0 10 3 8 17 .234 .285 .242 .527 49 31 1 1
4 Seasons 140 502 473 57 100 4 1 0 43 7 26 41 .211 .257 .224 .481 38 106 3
162 Game Avg. 162 581 547 66 116 5 1 0 50 8 30 .211 .257 .224 .481 38 123 3
CLV (2 yrs) 73 267 249 26 55 2 0 0 27 4 16 18 .221 .273 .229 .502 48 57 2
BOS (1 yr) 41 137 128 19 30 1 0 0 10 3 8 17 .234 .285 .242 .527 49 31 1
CLE (1 yr) 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0
AA (2 yrs) 73 251 237 32 50 2 0 0 19 5 12 17 .211 .255 .219 .474 43 52 2
NL (1 yr) 41 153 140 13 35 1 0 0 18 2 12 18 .250 .314 .257 .571 57 36 1
PL (1 yr) 26 98 96 12 15 1 1 0 6 0 2 6 .156 .173 .188 .361 -0 18 0

Player Value--Batters

WAR: 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Strtr, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl.
Year Age Tm Lg PA Rbat Rbaser Rroe Rdp Rfield Rpos Rrep RAR WAR oRAR oWAR dWAR Salary Pos Awards
1888 21 CLE AA 114 -9 0 0 0 0 2 2 -5 -0.4 -5 -0.5 0.1 $900 1/O
1889 22 CLV NL 153 -9 -2 0 0 0 7 5 1 0.2 1 0.1 0.1 $1,750 1
1890 23 CLE PL 98 -17 0 0 0 0 3 2 -12 -0.8 -12 -0.9 0.1 $ 1/O
1891 24 BOS AA 137 -10 0 0 0 0 5 2 -3 -0.1 -3 -0.3 0.2 $ 1
4 Seasons 502 -45 -2 0 0 0 17 11 -19 -1.1 -19 -1.6 0.5 $2,650
CLV (2 yrs) 267 -18 -2 0 0 0 9 7 -4 -0.2 -4 -0.4 0.2 $2,650
BOS (1 yr) 137 -10 0 0 0 0 5 2 -3 -0.1 -3 -0.3 0.2 $
CLE (1 yr) 98 -17 0 0 0 0 3 2 -12 -0.8 -12 -0.9 0.1 $

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Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1888 CLE AA 21 P 30 259.0 87 16 62 9 2 .897 2.71 2.60 .891 2.45 2.41
1888 CLE AA 21 OF 2 1 0 1 0 0 1.000 0.50 .910 1.85 0-0-2
1889 CLV NL 22 P 41 346.2 102 25 70 7 3 .931 2.47 2.32 .905 2.22 2.16
1890 CLE PL 23 P 25 206.1 56 9 45 2 2 .964 2.36 2.16 .912 2.80 2.72
1890 CLE PL 23 OF 1 1 0 1 0 0 1.000 1.00 .900 2.10 1-0-0
1891 BOS AA 24 P 40 268.2 65 11 50 4 4 .938 2.04 1.53 .908 2.55 2.46
4 Seasons P 136 1080.2 310 61 227 22 11 .929 2.40 2.12 .903 2.47 2.41
2 Seasons OF 3 2 0 2 0 0 1.000 0.67 .905 1.93 1-0-2
4 Seasons TOT 139 1080.2 312 61 229 22 11 .929 2.40 2.09 .903 2.47 2.40 1-0-2
Note: Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1950 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1950 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1950 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1919 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1950 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1919) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
  • For detailed information on which games retrosheet is missing play-by-play from 1950 to 1973, please see their most wanted games list
  • For detailed information on the availability of data on this site by year, see our data coverage page

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Earned Run Average s c a p y
1890 PL  3.40 (6th)

Wins s c a p y
1889 NL  22 (6th)
1891 AA  18 (10th)

Win-Loss % s c a p y
1889 NL  .564 (8th)
1891 AA  .581 (9th)

Hits per 9 IP s c a p y
1889 NL  8.957 (9th)

Strikeouts per 9 IP s c a p y
1888 AA  4.691 (6th)

Games Played s c a p y
1889 NL  41 (9th)

Saves s c a p y
1891 AA  2 (2nd)

Innings Pitched s c a p y
1889 NL  346.7 (9th)

Games Started s c a p y
1889 NL  41 (7th)

Complete Games s c a p y
1889 NL  39 (3rd)

Home Runs s c a p y
1891 AA  13 (3rd)

Bases on Balls s c a p y
1888 AA  99 (8th)
1889 NL  167 (2nd)

Hits s c a p y
1889 NL  345 (8th)

Home Runs per 9 IP s c a p y
1889 NL  0.234 (5th)

Losses s c a p y
1888 AA  19 (8th)
1889 NL  17 (9th)
1890 PL  16 (10th)

Earned Runs s c a p y
1889 NL  160 (5th)
1891 AA  109 (10th)

Wild Pitches s c a p y
1888 AA  37 (7th)
1889 NL  27 (2nd)
1890 PL  19 (8th)
Career  96 (116th)

Hit By Pitch s c a p y
1889 NL  24 (1st)
1890 PL  19 (3rd)
1891 AA  20 (7th)
Career  75 (173rd)

Batters Faced s c a p y
1889 NL  1,560 (7th)

Games Finished s c a p y
1891 AA  9 (2nd)

Adjusted ERA+ s c a p y
1890 PL  117 (7th)

Putouts as P s c a p y
1889 NL  25 (2nd)

Range Factor/9Inn as P† s c a p y
1889 NL  2.47 (5th)

Range Factor/Game as P s c a p y
1889 NL  2.32 (5th)

Fielding % as P s c a p y
1890 PL  .964 (1st)
1891 AA  .938 (5th)

                                         

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray InkPitching - 30 (788), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame MonitorPitching - 10 (959), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsPitching - 3 (1705), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Similarity Scores

Explanation of Similarity Scores
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  5. Vern Bickford (958)
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  10. Ed Daily (949)
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  2. Bullet Joe Bush (969)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
  3. Bob Harmon (973)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
  4. Bob Harmon (976)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
* - Signifies Hall of Famer

Transactions

  • June 20, 1888: Purchased by the Cleveland Blues from Lima (Tri-State) for $2,000.
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Salaries

Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses
Year Age Team Salary Sources Notes
188821Cleveland Blues$9001890 Spalding Guide
188922Cleveland Spiders$1,7501890 Spalding Guide
Career to date (may be incomplete)$2,650
Salary Data (about) courtesy Doug Pappas, and the Society for American Baseball Research.
Salaries for mid-season call-ups or traded players may not be shown.

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