Cinders O'Brien

John F. O'Brien

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 10", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: April 15, 1867 in Troy, NY (All Transactions)
Debut: June 23, 1888
Teams (by GP): Spiders/Reds/Blues/Infants 1888-1891

Final Game: October 2, 1891
Died: March 11, 1892 in West Troy, NY
Buried: St. Patrick Cemetery, Watervliet, NY
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Standard Pitching

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	W	L	W-L%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	HBP	BK	WP	BF	ERA+	WHIP	H/9	HR/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB
1888	21	CLE	AA	11	19	.367	3.30	30	30	0	30	1	0	259.0	245	162	95	5	99	135	12	0	37	1129	92	1.328	8.5	0.2	3.4	4.7	1.36
1889	22	CLV	NL	22	17	.564	4.15	41	41	0	39	1	0	346.2	345	216	160	9	167	122	24	0	27	1560	100	1.477	9.0	0.2	4.3	3.2	0.73
1890	23	CLE	PL	8	16	.333	3.40	25	25	0	22	0	0	206.1	229	171	78	9	93	54	19	0	19	963	117	1.561	10.0	0.4	4.1	2.4	0.58
1891	24	BOS	AA	18	13	.581	3.65	40	30	9	22	0	2	268.2	300	197	109	13	127	87	20	0	13	1246	99	1.589	10.0	0.4	4.3	2.9	0.69
4 Yrs				59	65	.476	3.68	136	126	9	113	2	2	1080.2	1119	746	442	36	486	398	75	0	96	4898	101	1.485	9.3	0.3	4.0	3.3	0.82
162 Game Avg.				15	17	.476	3.68	35	33	2	29	1	1	280	290	194	115	9	126	103	19	0	25	1271	101	1.485	9.3	0.3	4.0	3.3	0.82

CLV (2 yrs)				33	36	.478	3.79	71	71	0	69	2	0	605.2	590	378	255	14	266	257	36	0	64	2689	97	1.413	8.8	0.2	4.0	3.8	0.97
BOS (1 yr)				18	13	.581	3.65	40	30	9	22	0	2	268.2	300	197	109	13	127	87	20	0	13	1246	99	1.589	10.0	0.4	4.3	2.9	0.69
CLE (1 yr)				8	16	.333	3.40	25	25	0	22	0	0	206.1	229	171	78	9	93	54	19	0	19	963	117	1.561	10.0	0.4	4.1	2.4	0.58

AA (2 yrs)				29	32	.475	3.48	70	60	9	52	1	2	527.2	545	359	204	18	226	222	32	0	50	2375	96	1.461	9.3	0.3	3.9	3.8	0.98
NL (1 yr)				22	17	.564	4.15	41	41	0	39	1	0	346.2	345	216	160	9	167	122	24	0	27	1560	100	1.477	9.0	0.2	4.3	3.2	0.73
PL (1 yr)				8	16	.333	3.40	25	25	0	22	0	0	206.1	229	171	78	9	93	54	19	0	19	963	117	1.561	10.0	0.4	4.1	2.4	0.58

Player Value--Pitchers

WAR Explained (v2.1): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	IP	G	GS	R	RA9	RA9opp	RA9def	RA9role	PPFp	RA9avg	RAA	WAA	gmLI	WAAadj	WAR	RAR	waaWL%	162WL%	Salary
1888	21	CLE	AA	259.0	30	30	162	5.63	5.24	-0.42	0.00	99.0	5.60	1	0.1		-0.3	1.0	14	.504	.501	$900
1889	22	CLV	NL	346.2	41	41	216	5.61	5.99	0.35	0.00	103.0	5.81	16	1.4		-0.3	3.9	47	.534	.509	$1,750
1890	23	CLE	PL	206.1	25	25	171	7.46	6.94	-0.44	0.00	94.0	6.93	-12	-0.9		-0.2	0.0	6	.465	.495	$
1891	24	BOS	AA	268.2	40	30	197	6.60	5.63	0.22	0.00	97.0	5.25	-36	-2.9	1.0	-0.3	-1.7	-22	.428	.482	$
4 Seasons				1080.2	136	126	746	6.21	5.90	-0.01	0.00	98.8	5.83	-31	-2.2	1.0	-1.2	3.2	44	.484	.497	$2,650

CLV (2 yrs)				605.2	71	71	378	5.62	5.67	0.02	0.00	101.3	5.72	17	1.5		-0.7	4.9	61	.522	.505	$2,650
BOS (1 yr)				268.2	40	30	197	6.60	5.63	0.22	0.00	97.0	5.25	-36	-2.9	1.0	-0.3	-1.7	-22	.428	.482	$
CLE (1 yr)				206.1	25	25	171	7.46	6.94	-0.44	0.00	94.0	6.93	-12	-0.9		-0.2	0.0	6	.465	.495	$

Cumulative Pitching

Year	Age	W	L	W-L%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	HBP	WP	BF	ERA+	WHIP	H/9	HR/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB	ERA+
1888	21	11	19	.367	3.30	30	30	0	30	1	0	259.0	245	162	95	5	99	135	12	37	1129	92	1.328	8.5	0.2	3.4	4.7	1.36	92
1889	22	33	36	.478	3.79	71	71	0	69	2	0	605.2	590	378	255	14	266	257	36	64	2689	97	1.413	8.8	0.2	4.0	3.8	0.97	97
1890	23	41	52	.441	3.69	96	96	0	91	2	0	812.0	819	549	333	23	359	311	55	83	3652	102	1.451	9.1	0.3	4.0	3.4	0.87	102
1891	24	59	65	.476	3.68	136	126	9	113	2	2	1080.2	1119	746	442	36	486	398	75	96	4898	101	1.485	9.3	0.3	4.0	3.3	0.82	101

Neutralized Pitching

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Year	Age	W	L	W-L%	ERA	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	HBP	WHIP	H/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB	HR/9	Gact
1888	21	23	11	.676	2.77	315.0	269	108	97	5	109	164	13	1.200	7.7	3.1	4.7	1.50	0.1	30
1889	22	32	17	.653	2.88	447.0	360	159	143	9	174	157	25	1.195	7.2	3.5	3.2	0.90	0.2	41
1890	23	24	7	.774	2.10	279.0	232	72	65	9	94	73	19	1.168	7.5	3.0	2.4	0.78	0.3	25
1891	24	28	13	.683	2.69	371.0	346	123	111	15	146	120	23	1.326	8.4	3.5	2.9	0.82	0.4	40
4 Yrs		107	48	.690	2.65	1412.0	1207	462	416	38	523	514	80	1.225	7.7		3.3	0.98	0.2	136

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

WAR for Pitchers† s c a p y 1889 NL 3.9 (9th)	Earned Run Average s c a p y 1890 PL 3.40 (6th)	Wins s c a p y 1889 NL 22 (6th) 1891 AA 18 (10th)	Win-Loss % s c a p y 1889 NL .564 (8th) 1891 AA .581 (9th)
Hits per 9 IP s c a p y 1889 NL 8.957 (9th)	Strikeouts per 9 IP s c a p y 1888 AA 4.691 (6th)	Games Played s c a p y 1889 NL 41 (9th)	Saves s c a p y 1891 AA 2 (2nd)
Innings Pitched s c a p y 1889 NL 346.7 (9th)	Games Started s c a p y 1889 NL 41 (7th)	Complete Games s c a p y 1889 NL 39 (3rd)	Home Runs s c a p y 1891 AA 13 (3rd)
Bases on Balls s c a p y 1888 AA 99 (8th) 1889 NL 167 (2nd)	Hits s c a p y 1889 NL 345 (8th)	Home Runs per 9 IP s c a p y 1889 NL 0.234 (5th)	Losses s c a p y 1888 AA 19 (8th) 1889 NL 17 (9th) 1890 PL 16 (10th)
Earned Runs s c a p y 1889 NL 160 (5th) 1891 AA 109 (10th)	Wild Pitches s c a p y 1888 AA 37 (7th) 1889 NL 27 (2nd) 1890 PL 19 (8th) Career 96 (116th)	Hit By Pitch s c a p y 1889 NL 24 (1st) 1890 PL 19 (3rd) 1891 AA 20 (7th) Career 75 (174th)	Batters Faced s c a p y 1889 NL 1,560 (7th)
Games Finished s c a p y 1891 AA 9 (2nd)	Adjusted ERA+ s c a p y 1890 PL 117 (7th)

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray Ink	Pitching - 30 (794), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor	Pitching - 10 (961), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Pitching - 3 (1711), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Similarity Scores

Explanation of Similarity Scores

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Jock Menefee (955)
Ed Daily (949)

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* - Signifies Hall of Famer

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