No-Hit but Not Shutout
Posted by Raphy on July 27, 2011
Despite being no-hit by Ervin Santana today, the Indians were not shutout. Since 1919 - 13 other teams have allowed at least one run in a game in which they did not give up a hit. Please note that the games which only featured 8 IP are not officially no-hitters.
| Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | WP | Pit | Str | IR | IS | BF | AB | 2B | 3B | IBB | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | PO | WPA | RE24 | # | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2008-06-28 | LAA | LAD | L 0-1 | 8.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 124 | 75 | 0 | 0 | 29 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.238 | 3.000 | .801 | 2 | 0.00 |
| 2 | 1993-09-08 | HOU | NYM | W 7-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 83 | 59 | 28 | 27 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.316 | 3.339 | .603 | 1 | 0.00 | ||
| 3 | 1992-04-12 (1) | BOS | CLE | L 1-2 | 8.0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 120 | 63 | 32 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0.121 | 1.821 | .945 | 1 | 2.25 | ||
| 4 | 1990-07-01 | NYY | CHW | L 0-4 | 8.0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 131 | 79 | 31 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0.049 | -0.215 | 1.287 | 1 | 0.00 | ||
| 5 | 1986-09-19 | CHW | CAL | W 7-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 32 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0.350 | 3.601 | 1.127 | 1 | 1.00 | ||||
| 6 | 1976-07-28 | CHW | OAK | W 2-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 11 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 35 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.598 | 2.788 | 1.665 | 2 | 0.00 | ||
| 7 | 1968-07-29 (2) | CIN | PHI | W 6-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 27 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.076 | 2.420 | .622 | 1 | 0.00 | ||||
| 8 | 1967-08-25 (2) | MIN | CLE | W 2-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 31 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.620 | 2.758 | 1.517 | 1 | 1.00 | ||||
| 9 | 1967-04-30 (1) | BAL | DET | L 1-2 | 9.0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 40 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | -0.191 | 1.689 | 2.148 | 2 | 1.00 | ||
| 10 | 1964-04-23 | HOU | CIN | L 0-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.185 | 2.838 | 1.165 | 1 | 0.00 | ||||
| 11 | 1963-05-17 | HOU | PHI | W 4-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 105 | 67 | 31 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.257 | 2.590 | .851 | 1 | 0.00 | ||
| 12 | 1951-07-01 (1) | CLE | DET | W 2-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.581 | 3.419 | 1.140 | 1 | 0.00 | ||||
| 13 | 1925-09-13 (1) | BRO | PHI | W 10-1 | 9.0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 29 | 27 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.00 |
July 27th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Great angle, Raphy.
Re: 8 IP -- I thought it was still a no-hitter if it was a complete game of regulation length. I'll have to check the rule again....
July 27th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
I was mistaken -- MLB rule requires 9 IP. Raphy's right again!
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/about_mlb/rules_regulations.jsp
July 27th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
JA - they changed it a while ago, I remember. The primary idea was that a rain-shortened game should not be considered in the same class a full game; they kind of overdid it though. I've always thought that if a road pitcher lost a no-hitter but finished the game, he deserved the credit for his accomplishment. It's not Andy Hawkins' fault that the Yankees were fielding with skillets in Chicago, and it's not Matt Young's fault that the Bosox could only score once on six walks and nine hits. Bad enough to lose that game, but to not get credit for a no-hitter as well, while still somehow being credited with a complete game? It makes no sense and it's kind of ticky-tack, IMHO.
July 27th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Wow, 1990 White Sox/Yankees.
No-hitter, but lost 4-0? Bizarre.
July 27th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Please note that the games which only featured 8 IP are not officially no-hitters.
Then allow the team with the no-hitter the option of pitching the 9th until it ends or they give up a hit. Rain-shortened 5-inning games, or 9 no-hit innings before giving up a hit in extra innings--those I can understand not being considered no-hitters. But when the rulebook is the only reason it's not a no-hitter, an exception should be provided.
July 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@JA .. I think it at one time used to be a no-no, but MLB changed the rule, the same rule change that eliminated Haddix's no-hitter.
July 27th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@3
This. Again.
July 27th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Game #6, the Blue Moon Odom/F Barrios effort, astounded me. I worked in a package store in which he was a part owner, and the employees all agreed it was better not to bring up the game. My college room mate said, "Dal Maxvill will hit four homers in a Negamco Baseball game before we can duplicate Moon's no hitter."
July 27th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Well the 1st game on the list Dodgers vs Angels in 2008 wouldn't be a No Hitter in any case since it was a "Shared Team" No Hitter.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200806280.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool
Jared Weaver pitched only 6 innings
Jose Arredondo pitched the last 2 innings .
The Dodgers won at home 1-0 despite being no hitted by the above listed pair.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@#4 That was the Joe Cowley game. Walked a ton of hitters which is how he could give up no hits and still lose 4-0.
Astros/Colt .45s have pitched three no-nos where they allowed a run, one a 1-0 loss which, after MLB changed their policy, stands alone as the only losing no-hitter (Ken Johnson).
The Astros almost had a fourth one in 1974 when Don Wilson threw eight no-hit innings against the Reds but trailed, 2-1. Pete Rose, who hit into the error that caused Johnson to lose his no-no in 1964, also hit into an error in this game a decade later which was key to Cincinnati's two-run outburst.
Preston Gomez, the Houston manager, had pulled Clay Kirby when he was losing a no-hit bid with the Padres a few years earlier and declared then that if the situation ever came up again, he still pull the pitcher that was throwing a no-hitter. Sure enough, the situation did come up and he pulled Wilson for a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the eighth. (Kirby, to add to the irony, was watching the game from the Cincinnati dugout).
The Houston reliever gave up a meaningless single in the ninth and the Reds held on for the 2-1 victory so it did not go into the books as a no-hitter (which would have been Wilson's third) but it would have had Wilson returned for the ninth inning and got through it without a hit.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
#4 was not Joe Cowley's no-hitter; it was Andy Hawkins' no-hitter (which was wiped off the books because of the rule change). All four runs scored on errors.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Astros/Colt .45s have pitched three no-nos where they allowed a run, one a 1-0 loss which, after MLB changed their policy, stands alone as the only losing no-hitter (Ken Johnson).
There has been one other recognized losing no-hitter: this 1967 game, where the losing team lost the shutout in the ninth inning, removed its starter, and then lost the game 2-1 on an error.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I thought #4 was the Andy Hawkins game. It was significant because this was before the 9-inning rule, and it came just two days after Fernando Valenzuela and Dave Stewart pitched their no-hitters. Apparently what happened was that with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, Sammy Sosa reached on an error and stole second. Then came two straight walks to load the bases, followed by bases clearing, two-base error charged to Jim Leyritz in left, and another two-base error by Jesse Barfield in right that allowed another run.
Joe Cowley's no-hitter was #5.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Beautiful spreadsheet. I love it.
I had no idea there was that little non-shutout no-hitters. I don't know why I thought there would be more.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
BTW - If anyone is interested there is a Wikipedia page with all the major league no hitters back to the 1800s. There is a sortable RA column there, making it easy to find non-shutout no-hitters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters
July 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Raphy has it right, but MLB has it wrong.
how can 5 or 8 innings be enough for a shutout or a CG but nor for a no-hitter? The inconsistencies boggle me.
July 27th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
R H E
1 0 5
I'll bet those numbers ahve ever appeared on a scoreboard before.
July 27th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@17 I think you're right SB... I did a PI search for all games where a team ended with 1 run scored and 0 hits and two games the team had a 1-0-3 line (9/8/93 & 9/19/86).
And then I realized that the PI search I did was already here at the top of this page.
July 27th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
@17/18: I did the same search -- but wondered why I couldn't use total ERRORS as a searchable stat.
Does the Play Index have ANY options for finding games with X number of errors? I couldn't find it...
July 27th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Ironically in Minnesota's (Dean Chance) 7-1 no-hitter over Cleveland, the Tribe were the home team and scored when their leadoff batter (who walked) scored on a wild pitch in the... bottom of the first
July 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@19: I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
July 28th, 2011 at 3:10 am
I also don't believe "team" no-hitters should be recognized. A no-hitter is a special designation and should only be awarded in a complete game and if it's done by a single pitcher. For those cases where a collection of pitchers doesn't give up a hit, the records can and certainly will note that the opposition didn't score a hit, but the no-hitter designation should not be used.
July 28th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Observation that means nothing...
almost half of the games listed (6 of 13) were part of a double header.
seems like a high percentage. I could make a case for game 2 of the Double Header falling into this category (pitcher is fresh and hitters/fielders are tired), but only 2 of the 6 games were the second half of the DH.
July 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am
[...] Raphy at Baseball Reference has already done the honors of digging out no-hit non-shutout games, including Jered Weaver‘s heartbreaking 1-0, 0 ER 6-hitless-inning loss. I would, however, like to recognize the efforts of the other seven guys who started a game and left with no hits. Miguel Batista, Kyle Davies, and John Danks did it with style, leaving due to injury; Jon Lester, Aaron Harang, and Chris Tillman, meanwhile, came out early for various other reasons. As for Santana, he pitched four no-hit innings in May, but was replaced by Rich Thompson in the fifth. [...]
July 28th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@23: I noticed too the number of DH games but it doesn't surprise me because managers will often start bench players in DH games so as not to exhaust their regulars. That can easily be the first game of a DH as much as a second game, just as some managers would save their better starting pitcher for the second game.
July 30th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Carl Carrara's stats on this site. He is 6' 3" 205 lbs. He bats right and throws left. He was 4-1 and let up 13 hits. Had 3 complete games for Newburgh Nighthawks. That information was wrong.