Comments on: 8+ ER in 8+ IP

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:04:56 +0000

Here's last year's post on this same topic:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2295

By: SJBlonger

SJBlonger — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:19:16 +0000

Topics such as this one are what make this blog so interesting. 8 IP/8 R, a previously unidentified oddity.

And take a look at that Britt Burns game. In the bottom of the fifth, immediately after Burns gave up a grand slam to Gary Roenicke that allowed the Orioles to close the gap to a 9-8, the White Sox made a substitution. But it's not Burns who left the field, it's Carlton Fisk. It would be interesting to know the story behind that.

By: dukeofflatbush

dukeofflatbush — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:00:21 +0000

@ Twisto #18
It wasn't the break nor the roids, twas Jack Morris taught 'em good.

By: Basmati

Basmati — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:56:37 +0000

That should say it's common to see people start 33/34 games.......

By: Basmati

Basmati — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:54:30 +0000

We may never see anyone average 8.33 IP for more than 20 starts again. What Lee has done this season is off the charts for the modern era but he still averages 'only' 8.16IP per start. Only 3 pitchers on the above list actually started all their games. Tanana (averaged 8.48 IP for 34 starts), Norris (8.62 for 33 starts), McCatty (8.44 for 22 starts). It's common to see people starts 33/3 games a la Norris and Tanana, but it could be a long time before we see anyone pitch 280+ innings. The last to top that was Charlie Hough in 1987, although Clemens and Johnson topped 270 and Halladay has reached 266 (and could get close to that this year).

By: Johnny Twisto

Johnny Twisto — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:19:54 +0000

The top of Andy's list is all guys with a lot of relief innings artificially increasing their IP/GS. So the most recent guy to really do it was McCatty in 1981, and over a full season his teammates Norris and Langford in '80. I thought Maddux was close in '94; he had 8.08 IP/GS.

By: Johnny Twisto

Johnny Twisto — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:10:16 +0000

Cliff Lee currently has the longest streak of 8+ IP starts since Hentgen in '96. To be ended tonight.

By: JR

JR — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:59:42 +0000

@15. Thank you for the correction Eric, I completely forgot about that.

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:43:03 +0000

8.33 IP per start...geez. Here are the most reason seasons when a guy averaged at least 8.3 IP per game start (calculated just by IP > 8.3*GS so if he had a lot of relief appearances, it makes it easer to qualify by adding innings without adding a game start), minimum 20 GS:

Rk	Player	Year	GS	IP	Age	Tm	Lg	G	CG	SHO	GF	W	L	W-L%	SV	H	R	ER	BB	SO	ERA	ERA+	HR	BF	AB	2B	3B	IBB	HBP	SH	SF	GDP	SB	CS	PO	BK	WP	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Joe Mays	1999	20	171.0	23	MIN	AL	49	2	1	8	6	11	.353	0	179	92	83	67	115	4.37	116	24	746	664	35	4	2	2	7	6	15	12	5	1	0	6	.270	.336	.443	.778
2	Curt Schilling	1992	26	226.1	25	PHI	NL	42	10	4	10	14	11	.560	2	165	67	59	59	147	2.35	150	11	895	819	30	4	4	1	7	8	11	7	7	0	0	4	.201	.254	.288	.542
3	Danny Darwin	1988	20	192.0	32	HOU	NL	44	3	0	9	8	13	.381	3	189	86	82	48	129	3.84	86	20	804	730	27	5	9	7	10	9	17	28	2	1	2	1	.259	.307	.392	.699
4	Danny Darwin	1986	22	184.2	30	TOT	ML	39	6	1	6	11	10	.524	0	170	81	65	44	120	3.17	131	16	759	697	27	4	1	3	6	9	15	16	6	0	1	7	.244	.288	.363	.651
5	Orel Hershiser	1984	20	189.2	25	LAD	NL	45	8	4	10	11	8	.579	2	160	65	56	50	150	2.66	133	9	771	712	22	1	8	4	2	3	18	16	4	2	1	8	.225	.278	.296	.575
6	Lary Sorensen	1984	21	183.1	28	OAK	AL	46	2	0	9	6	13	.316	1	240	117	100	44	63	4.91	76	21	818	757	23	5	4	6	4	7	19	8	11	1	4	4	.317	.356	.444	.800
7	Rick Camp	1982	21	177.1	29	ATL	NL	51	3	0	20	11	13	.458	5	199	84	72	52	68	3.65	103	18	761	683	20	3	8	1	17	8	29	27	7	1	1	7	.291	.339	.408	.747
8	Bobby Castillo	1982	25	218.2	27	MIN	AL	40	6	1	6	13	11	.542	0	194	96	89	85	123	3.66	116	26	903	805	28	11	7	0	4	9	17	8	13	1	1	1	.241	.310	.400	.710
9	Steve McCatty	1981	22	185.2	27	OAK	AL	22	16	4	0	14	7	.667	0	140	50	48	61	91	2.33	150	12	741	664	14	4	1	2	8	6	6	7	11	0	0	0	.211	.277	.298	.575
10	Don Aase	1980	21	175.0	25	CAL	AL	40	5	1	6	8	13	.381	2	193	83	79	66	74	4.06	97	13	761	673	36	2	3	1	12	9	20	13	4	0	1	2	.287	.347	.404	.751
11	Rick Langford	1980	33	290.0	28	OAK	AL	35	28	2	2	19	12	.613	0	276	119	105	64	102	3.26	116	29	1166	1084	34	6	6	1	5	12	23	4	14	3	1	7	.255	.294	.377	.671
12	Mike Norris	1980	33	284.1	25	OAK	AL	33	24	1	0	22	9	.710	0	215	88	80	83	180	2.53	149	18	1135	1030	32	5	2	6	9	7	20	16	12	1	4	9	.209	.270	.302	.572
13	Joaquin Andujar	1979	23	194.0	26	HOU	NL	46	8	0	9	12	12	.500	4	168	86	74	88	77	3.43	103	7	825	720	27	6	6	2	9	6	15	18	4	3	0	5	.233	.316	.317	.633
14	Mike Caldwell	1978	34	293.1	29	MIL	AL	37	23	6	1	22	9	.710	1	258	90	77	54	131	2.36	160	14	1176	1102	36	0	3	7	7	6	25	11	7	1	1	8	.234	.273	.305	.578
15	Larry Gura	1978	26	221.2	30	KCR	AL	35	8	2	1	16	4	.800	0	183	73	67	60	81	2.72	142	13	890	798	46	2	3	4	18	10	16	12	7	2	1	1	.229	.283	.341	.624
16	Pete Vuckovich	1978	23	198.1	25	STL	NL	45	6	2	15	12	12	.500	1	187	65	56	59	149	2.54	140	9	819	738	34	6	5	2	13	6	14	14	10	1	2	7	.253	.308	.352	.660
17	Ron Guidry	1977	25	210.2	26	NYY	AL	31	9	5	4	16	7	.696	1	174	72	66	65	176	2.82	140	12	850	777	24	7	2	0	5	3	12	7	10	0	0	6	.224	.283	.319	.602
18	Mark Fidrych	1976	29	250.1	21	DET	AL	31	24	4	2	19	9	.679	0	217	76	65	53	97	2.34	159	12	996	923	21	2	3	3	12	5	25	13	16	0	0	6	.235	.277	.301	.579
19	Wayne Garland	1976	25	232.1	25	BAL	AL	38	14	4	9	20	7	.741	1	224	81	69	64	113	2.67	123	10	976	880	35	3	9	6	15	11	14	27	6	2	1	5	.255	.306	.335	.641
20	Frank Tanana	1976	34	288.1	22	CAL	AL	34	23	2	0	19	10	.655	0	212	88	78	73	261	2.43	136	24	1142	1042	33	4	5	9	14	3	11	34	22	8	0	5	.203	.261	.312	.573

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By: Johnny Twisto

Johnny Twisto — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:32:13 +0000

All-Star Break steroids, obviously.