Comments on: Extra Inning Home Runs This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: John Autin Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:00:28 +0000 @7, Spartan Bill -- That's a heck of a note on Jack Reed's 22nd-inning HR.

BTW, the Yanks scored 6 runs off Frank Lary in the top of the 1st inning. Yankee starter Bob Turley started the bottom half with walk, walk, HR, out, walk -- and was pulled by Houk. If the Major had only known! He ended up using Tex Clevenger for 6.1 IP, and Jim Bouton for 7. There have been just 2 games since in which one team used two relievers for at least 6 IP each. This game was one of them:

By: John Autin Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:49:04 +0000 @17, Doug -- I'd say it was actually the late-'80s / early-'90s that saw the biggest decline in saves of 2+ innings. In the 5 years from 1987-92, saves of 2+ IP dropped by more than half, from 421 to 195.

Saves of more than 2 IP -- i.e., he entered in the 7th or sooner -- actually peaked in 1982 (280), declined slowly through 1987 (223), then started plummeting from '88 (170) through '92 (81). Basically, from 1992 on, any saves of more than 2 innings are by long relievers, not "closers."

Hoyt Wilhelm had 75 career saves of more than 2 IP; Rollie Fingers had 74, Quisenberry 65, Gene Garber 64, Mike Marshall 57, Sparky Lyle 56, Lindy McDaniel 51 and Goose Gossage 50. No pitcher in the last 10 years has had more than 6 saves of more than 2 IP, and that was Tim Wakefield.

By: Doug Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:26:57 +0000 @12. 16 innings and 56 batters faced, by a 42-year old. Yikes. Together with Marichal, faced 115 batters. Probably both had close to, if not more than 200 pitches. Next outing, 5 days later, Spahn pitched a complete game shutout at Houston, but then didn't pitch again for 18 days. The 25 year-old Marichal made 6 more starts that July (plus a W in a 2-inning relief stint), logging 3 CGs, 2 other games pitching into the 9th, and 7 strong innings in the start immediately after the Braves game. A different time, indeed.

@13. John, I understand exactly why you italicized "in the 7th inning". If you had asked me to guess when closers stopped coming into games as early as the 7th inning, my gut would have said late 70s, or early, early 80s. Surprised to see an example as late as 1984.

By: The Chief Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:41:09 +0000 Looks like Mays also threw a runner out at the plate much earlier in the game. Both pitchers going the distance is incredible -- any way of finding out how many pitches they threw?

By: Albert7 Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:58:30 +0000 Considering how bad Stegman was doing, trying to bunt for a base hit with 2 outs was probably the only way he was going to get on.

By: da HOOK Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:05:37 +0000 Seaver also started the regularly scheduled game after the suspension (the AL had a curfew that no [half-?] inning could start after 1:05 AM local time), and won two games on the same day.

By: John Autin Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:47:08 +0000 Raphy @6 -- Wow, that game Baines won with a 25th-inning HR is a real find!

-- Carlton Fisk caught all 25 innings. He allowed 2 SB and made a throwing error, but gunned down 4 runners trying to steal.

-- The game was tied at 1 into the 9th. Milwaukee scored twice in the top half, but the White Sox tied it off Rollie Fingers with a pair of 2-out hits.

-- The teams then played 11 scoreless innings before the Brewers went ahead in the top of the 21st on a 2-out, 3-run HR by Ben Oglivie. But the Sox tied it again with 2 outs off of Chuck Porter, who was in his 4th inning of relief. Porter stayed on the mound all the way through Baines's game-winning shot.

-- Before Baines won it, Dave Stegman led off the bottom of the 25th by striking out on a foul bunt. Hunh???

-- Stegman entered the game in the 8th as a pinch-runner for DH Greg Luzinski. He stayed in the game and wound up batting 8 times, with 5 strikeouts.

-- Chicago lost the DH when Stegman moved from DH to the outfield in the 22nd inning. Ron Reed and Floyd Bannister had a hitless AB, accounting for 2 of the 3 PAs by AL pitchers that year. Bannister had a chance to win it in the 24th with a man on 2nd and 2 out, but grounded out to SS.

-- Two pitchers went at least 7 IP in relief -- Chuck Porter for Milwaukee and Juan Agosto for Chicago.

-- Milwaukee used just 6 pitchers. The White Sox, managed by Tony LaRussa, used 8.

-- Tom Seaver pitched the 25th for Chicago and wound up with the win -- the only relief win of his career. Seaver was 39 years old, as was Milwaukee starter Don Sutton. White Sox reliever Ron Reed, who blew the lead in the 21st, was 41.

-- ChiSox SP Bob Fallon left the game with a 1-0 lead after walking the leadoff man in the 7th. It was his 3rd and last start in the majors.

Among the records (for the game-searchable-era, 1920-present) that were set or tied in that game:

-- Most PAs: 12, by Baines, Carlton Fisk and Rudy Law (tied with 2 others).

-- Most PAs, ABs, and Hits by a substitute: 10 PAs, 9 ABs, 5 hits, all by Tom Paciorek. He replaced Ron Kittle in LF in the top of the 4th, and was on deck for an 11th time up when Baines won it.

-- Most Strikeouts by a substitute: 5, by Dave Stegman (shared by 2 others). Stegman also fouled out with the bases loaded and 2 down in the 14th. And after leading off the 23rd with a single, he was thrown out trying to advance to 3B on a single.

Elsewhere in the majors on May 8, 1984:

-- In Kansas City, Alan Trammell greeted incoming reliever Dan Quisenberry with a 2-out grand slam in the 7th inning as Detroit rallied to win their 5th straight game, improving to 24-4. It was the only grand slam ever hit off Quis in 120 chances.

-- In Anaheim, Kirby Puckett made his major-league debut with 4 singles in 5 trips. Puckett batted .296 with 165 hits in that rookie season, but with no HRs and just 12 doubles in 557 AB. Frank Viola threw a 4-hit shutout for his 3rd win of the year. In his first 2 seasons, Viola's combined record was 11-25 with a 5.38 ERA. But from 1984-90, Viola led the majors with 126 wins and 1,772 IP.

By: James Smyth Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:01:39 +0000 That 7-2-63 game is the famous Juan Marichal-Warren Spahn pitching duel. Mays hit the walk-off in the bottom of the 16th to break a scoreless tie and both pitchers went the distance!

By: Richard Chester Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:01:28 +0000 @9

My 2006 SABR book shows 12 for McGwire and Palmeiro, and 11 for Barry Bonds, Killebrew, Nettles, Musial and Lance Parrish.

By: Tmckelv Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:08:07 +0000 It both makes sense and confuses that the top list has all HR hitters. You think they would make the list due to them being HR hitters, but also you would think pitchers would pitch around them more often in Extra Innings.