Comments on: Card of the Week: 1981 Topps #130 Larry Gura This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jeff Wise Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:36:55 +0000 I own that card! Actually, I own several of those cards. Yes, worth nothing but I still have my Larry Gura cards.

By: Tmckelv Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:06:10 +0000 The baseball card set was actually the 3rd of the 4 major sport sets to go to the "All-Star designation on the players main card" format.

The Football card sets started that in 1971. Then Topps went to the All-Pro subset in 1972 and had no All-Pro indication at all in 1973. Again had the All-Pro designation on the regular card in 1974. Finally a 2 player-per-card subset in 1975 and reverted back to regular issue card All-Pros in 1976 where it stayed for many years (into the 1990's - long after baseball gave it up).

The Basketball Sets started a little later (1973-74 set) but were more consistent with the format with only 1976-77 using a subset (which included James Silas' afro as I mentioned in a previous card thread) up through 1979-80. Then back to a subset (on the ill-fated mini-cards) and no designation at all on the last topps set in 1981-82.

Hockey started in 1976-77 (after baseball) and kept it through 1979-80 before returning to subsets for the last 2 topps sets.

By: Bruce Markusen Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:02:40 +0000 Glad to see "Card of the Week" back. I was beginning to think it had left the premises completely!

By: John Autin Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:06:08 +0000 @9, Night Owl -- Thanks for clarifying. I guess I overlooked the phrase "all-star starter" in the opening. Doink!

By: Tmckelv Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:35:46 +0000 @8 John Q,

I was unsuccessfully trying to be funny, meaning if you tried come up with a list of great NL starters of the 1970's, you would probably list Carlton before those other guys.

I did not mean to imply that the selections of the individual season's NL Starters were incorrect. Those were great seasons by Messersmith, Reuss, Jones, etc. and were well-deserved selections.

By: Steve Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:28:37 +0000 Stone got the benefit of having his own manager, Earl Weaver managed the 1980 All Star game as a result of being the World Series participant the previous year

By: night owl Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:49:22 +0000 @10 That was the issue, Andy. Blasted Chrome. Thanks.

By: Andy Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:41:49 +0000 Night Owl, if you're using Chrome, that seems to have some trouble displaying images. I've had a lot of problems with this, but I am pretty confident that the image is uploaded properly.

Is anybody else having trouble seeing the images?

By: night owl Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:29:37 +0000 @JA

I guess my point is that from my vantage point at the time, the players with All-Star cards were exclusively starters on the All-Star team the preceding year (unless they were injured as mentioned before).

The pitcher may not have selected by the fans, but he was selected to start by the manager, and it was reflected on the player's card the following year. It was like that from 75-80 for the most part, until '81 when Topps did its own selecting and added pitchers who did not start as All-Stars the previous year.

And why is the image of the front of the Gura card not there?

By: John Q Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:14:17 +0000 @6 tmckelv,

"NL P - Steve Carlton first time after such "superstars" as Messersmith (75), Reuss (76), R.Jones (77) and actual stars Sutton (78) and Blue (79)"

I don't see Messersmith, Reuss, and Jones being bad all star selections.

Messersmith was one of the best pitchers of the mid 70's and should have won the Cy Young over Marshall in '74. He finished in the Top Five in H/9 eight times in his career. He's one of only 10 pitchers to have 8+ seasons in the top Five in H/9.

Reuss had flashes when he pitched great like 1975, 1980, and 1981.

And Randy Jones was the eventual Cy Young award winner in 1976.