Comments on: No starter batting above .255 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Raker Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:32:42 +0000 When I was a kid in the late 60's-early 70's, every once in awhile we would inadvertently get a sawdust ball. They sucked. They would be oblong by the 2nd inning. by the 5th, sawdust would be leaking.

I wonder how many players have hit over .100 points higher than the league average like Hamilton did this year?

By: Mike Felber Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:04:44 +0000 Also, Mantle's category, Player Value--batters is messed up. The years are all out of order!

By: Mike Felber Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:49:39 +0000 Tell us about the sawdust ball. War scarcity led to that as a filling? Was it much different, just that one year? Like '43 "silver" penny?

Mantle had a 142 OPS for his last year. he created value even in his declining years. A bit surprised to see him rated below average for his career in every position he played-thought he was good enough in the outfield during the '50's to be better than that. And I see no record of him in the playoffs, just world series. What am I missing on his B-R page?

By: Kahuna Tuna Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:06:10 +0000 John, I came across your '68 Yankees just now in the results of a PI query about teams with most wins in a season when leaving three or fewer runners on base. That Yankees team had 13 such wins, one of the highest single-season totals since 1920. (The streak-busting 2005 White Sox had the highest total, with 18.) I'd guess that low-LOB wins correspond loosely with offensive "efficiency," and a team with a .214 batting average needs all the efficiency it can get.

By: John Autin Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:40:40 +0000 "Good eye, Andy, good eye!"

Not sure if you're looking for (a) all starters' BA below the league average, or (b) all starters' BA at or below .255. If the latter, then I have 3 games for you:

The 1968 Yankees batted .214 as a team. Roy White hit .267, making him the only player on the team to bat over .245 -- whether regular, backup or pitcher. White missed just 3 games; in each, all 9 Yankee starters finished the game with a BA of .244 or lower, with a low game mark of .236 on Aug. 15, 1968.

-- On August 1, 1968, all 9 Yankees finished the game with a BA of .239 or lower. (
-- On August 15, 1968, all 9 Yankee starters finished the game with a BA of .236 or lower; PH Charlie Smith had a .268 mark. (
-- On August 25, 1968, all 9 Yankees finished the game with a BA of .244 or lower. (

However, the AL average that year was .230, so none of these qualifies by condition (a) above.

Incidentally, that .214-hitting Yankee squad finished 83-79. They were last in BA, 7th (out of 10) in OBP and 8th in slugging, yet somehow ranked 6th in scoring, with a RPG just a bit below the league average. Mantle led the team with 18 HRs; it was the only year in the live-ball era that the Yanks did not have a 20-HR man, except for 1981 (strike year) and 1945 ("sawdust ball").

By: Brian O Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:07:18 +0000 I think it's pretty safe to say that after getting no-hit by Bob Feller on Opening Day, the 1940 White Sox started their second game with all .000 averages.