Comments on: Card of the Week: 1991 Topps Stadium Club #455 Jose DeLeon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-48588 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:42:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-48588 First, I want to say something off-topic - I hang out at an online forum on a completely different subject where people are required to register to be able to post. New messages are pre-populated with our registered email addresses, but we are allowed to blank them out (but not allowed to blank out our user names) before messages are posted. I appreciate that we are no longer required to register here, and I understand why we still need to supply a name and email address each time. This is made simpler by the fact that my name and email are "remembered" (probably due to cookies) each time, so they are still pre-populated for me.

But this is both good and bad news. Sometimes, before I start my message, I forget that I'm not on that other site, and I blank out the pre-populated email address here. Once I finish my message and hit the Post button, though, I go to an error page that tells me I didn't supply the required material. This would be an OK reminder, except that, when I hit the Back button to go put it in, MY MESSAGE IS GONE!

This has happened to me twice now, including after I posted a message in this topic on the day the blog entry was made, September 9. Can something be done here to "save" already-composed messages so that if we forget to put in a required field, we can have the whole message back? Or is forgetting to enter one of these fields such a bad transgression that it is deemed to be a suitable punishment to make the person start the message all over again?

That said, I'll try to reconstruct the essence of what I said on Thursday:

DeLeon was a reliever and a sometimes sixth starter for the 1993 Phillies before being traded to the White Sox in August of that year for Bobby Thigpen. The Phillies had signed him late in the 1992 season after he had been cut by the Cardinals. He made three starts for the eventual NL champs in 1993, the most famous one being that doubleheader 2nd game against the Padres that started around 1:30 a.m. and ended about three hours later.

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By: Fireworks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47555 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:33:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47555 Ah, the memories. These sorts of cards were the beginning of the end for me 🙁

When you're ~12 and sports cards prices quadruple in a couple years and everything is full of holograms and foil, you move on to something else.

I sort of wish I hadn't stopped collecting cards, but I found other things to throw away my allowance on in the coming years.

Still, '89 was when my card collecting peaked. And while I liked the newer, prettier cards, I hated the prices.

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By: Joe B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47246 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:14:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47246 Another great article. Well done. I could read these all day.

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By: kingcrab http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47237 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:33:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47237 great memories, i remember first seeing them in a little bookstore in the mall, bought 2 packs at $5.95 each and pulled a frank thomas in the first pack and i think it was alex fernandez in the second pack.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47220 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:25:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47220 Andy,

nice post on the 88 score traded card...if you learn one thing about DeLeon from the front of his card, it is that he wears #48.

It is like a catch-22, we want card companies to provide some more nice info (like uniform numbers on the back of the card), but if they are going to bother they better get it right.

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By: Mark http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47177 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:36:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47177 His 1984 Topps card shown on the back is pretty classic, it looks like he's pitching on a dirt road!

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By: Rich http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47174 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:25:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47174 @ 14 unless the pitcher is on a Phillies team from the 30s and 40s, then he probably is pretty bad

I love the stadium club set, but I kinda hate that every kind of card after this point went this direction. One nice thing about the older full cardboard sets is you can easily flip through them with your fingers. You can't flip through the high glossy, photograph type cards without smudging up the front of them.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47171 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:13:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47171 DeLeon's poor W-L record is even more remarkable considering the relative parity, for lack of a better word, during his career. There weren't too many horrible teams in that period, consistently finishing 50 games out of first.

I wondered if maybe he gave up a lot of unearned runs, but that doesn't seem to be the case. He had a nasty splitter but didn't throw too many wild pitches.

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By: JR http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47153 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:32:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47153 I remember when that product first came out. Boxes were sold for over $200. I remember running into every retail store to buy the boxes for $30 and sell them to dealers for $100 apiece. The Nolan Ryan card with him pitching in a tux could easily fetch 30 to 50 bucks.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8148/comment-page-1#comment-47150 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:29:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8148#comment-47150 Of the 281 pitchers since 1901 to have a career ERA+ between 98 and 106 (DeLeon was at 102), DeLeon has the 8th worst W-L% (minimum 100 decisions and no more than 100 games finished), suggesting that he was really on some lousy teams and had a lot of bad luck:

Rk Player W-L% ERA+ From To Age W L IP ER
1 Rollie Naylor .336 102 1917 1924 25-32 42 83 1011.0 442
2 Jim Beattie .374 98 1978 1986 23-31 52 87 1148.2 532
3 Bob Weiland .397 101 1928 1940 22-34 62 94 1388.1 654
4 Pete Schneider .407 102 1914 1919 18-23 59 86 1274.0 377
5 Joe Lake .408 99 1908 1913 27-32 62 90 1318.0 417
6 Greg Harris .413 103 1988 1995 24-31 45 64 909.1 402
7 Slim Harriss .413 100 1920 1928 22-30 95 135 1750.1 827
8 Jose DeLeon .420 102 1983 1995 22-34 86 119 1897.1 793
9 John Thomson .426 104 1997 2007 23-33 63 85 1270.1 661
10 Tomo Ohka .429 104 1999 2009 23-33 51 68 1070.0 506
11 Harry Harper .429 105 1913 1923 18-28 57 76 1256.0 400
12 Roger Craig .430 104 1955 1966 25-36 74 98 1536.1 653
13 Roger Wolff .430 101 1941 1947 30-36 52 69 1025.1 388
14 Frank Allen .431 101 1912 1917 23-28 50 66 970.1 316
15 Bill Wight .438 103 1946 1958 24-36 77 99 1563.0 686
16 Earl Hamilton .439 102 1911 1924 19-32 115 147 2342.2 822
17 Barney Pelty .440 101 1903 1912 22-31 92 117 1908.0 558
18 Frank Miller .441 104 1913 1923 27-37 52 66 1010.0 338
19 Bugs Raymond .441 105 1904 1911 22-29 45 57 854.2 236
20 Jim Abbott .446 100 1989 1999 21-31 87 108 1674.0 791
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