Comments on: October Blown Saves http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42181 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:06:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42181 If you want to talk about bad relief work in October, the line forms behind George Frazier. 1981 World Series, Game 3, 5th inning, ahead by a run, gives up a single, a walk, a double scoring a run, and the guy he walked scores later. Game 4, 7th inning, score tied, he gives up two hits and both runners score. 6th and final game, 5th inning, score tied, he gives up 2 runs on 4 hits.

Pitching 3.2 innings in 3 games, he goes 0-3 with a 17.18 ERA.

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By: Sam Hicks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42135 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:47:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42135 Wow, so Robb Nen has 3 blown saves without allowing an earned run. Weird.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42125 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:59:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42125 Not all of the pitchers on this list are traditional ninth inning closers. Ryan Madson's blown postseason saves came in games in which he entered in the 7th or 8th inning. True, each appearance cost the Phillies the lead, but the relievers who are brought into the game earlier than the 9th inning are not usually the best ones on the team. And sometimes, there is time to recover when the save is blown before the ninth, as happened on the game that is listed as having taken place on October 27, 2008. This was that suspended World Series game in Philadelphia, and Madson didn't make his appearance until it resumed two nights later. In fact, the Phillies won all four of Madson's blown postseason saves.

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By: TheGoof http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42093 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:08:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42093 Mo was even pretty good in his blown save games in the postseason. Heh. But the really notable one is Nen -- three blown saves without an earned run!

My Armando Blownsavez memory: his week as a Yankee, I was out in Oakland. Caught the game there, and he gave up two runners with two outs in the eighth, so they brought in Rivera. An error, a run scores to tie the game (and a cheapo blown save for Mo), and the Yanks lost in extras on a gigantic homer by Tejada (I'd guess well over 450 feet).

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42031 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:58:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42031 Eck will always be remembered for the Gibson blast, but I think most of Canada will remember his October 11, 1992 blown save too. Robbie Alomar's game-tying 9th inning homer forever put to bed the 'Blow' Jays label, and was the key to bringing the WS to Canada for the first time.

I had sweated through nine years of the Jays being 'oh so close', and honest to God, I KNEW that was over when he hit that one off Eck, who had tormented us for years...

Oddly enough, today during my lunch hour I indulged a whim and bought a 1992 Blue Jays World Champions cloisonné pin. Alomar's homer off Eckersley remains one of this Jays fan's sweetest memories. A few innings later, after the Jays had finished off the A's and won the LCS, I can recall feeling literally dazed (and overjoyed) that the playoff curse had ended. We'd hoped the A's were past their peak, but we feared that the Jays' past failures might keep them from proving it. Alomar's homer made believers of us. MichaelPat, as a fellow Blue Jays fan you'll no doubt agree that while winning the World Series that year was sweet, merely reaching the Series was transcendent.

I speak as if I'd agonized through those years alongside dozens of Canadian Jays fans, but I'm from Southern California and have lived all that time here. I know what MichaelPat's talking about, though.

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By: Brett http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42026 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:44:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42026 @Noodle, it's common knowledge that not all saves are created equal. There are breakdowns that are readily available in places like Bill James yearly Handbook that further breaks down the "save situation" into one of three categories: Easy, Regular, Hard. Translating that to a blown save hasn't been done in any publication that I've seen, but it wouldn't be too hard to determine.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42015 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:17:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42015 Sorry, I didn't realize, but this post uses the ONLY definition of a "Save Opportunity" (Saves + Blown Saves). Don't know how that escaped me all these years. I thought that it would be any time a guy came into a game in a save situation (which would also include Holds).

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-42010 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:07:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-42010 So a "Save Opportunity" in this context is appearances with either a Save or a Blown Save, right? Because that would include set-up men that blew leads in the 8th, even though the intent was to NOT finish the game with them...whereas guys who came in with a save situation and pitched a scoreless 7th or 8th inning (for example) and then were lifted, are not represented here. It doesn't really matter for career set-up men, but someone who was both set-up and closer during his career would lose some of his stats.
But I guess it doesn't matter, because we are trying to show closers here anyway and don't care about "Holds".

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By: Noodle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-41996 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:26:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-41996 Even the Blown Save as compared to saves stat has little meaning to me without context. Entering a game with a 1 run lead and runners on 1st and 3rd no outs and getting three straight outs is good pitching. Oh, sorry, its a BLOWN SAVE because the guy from third scored on one of the first two outs. (Rivera versus Boston Game 5) Is this blown save anything like entering with none on and a 2-run lead and giving up a 2-run HR? (see byung-hung twice in the 2001 WS)

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By: Brett http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7942/comment-page-1#comment-41992 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:10:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7942#comment-41992 Good point Sean-O. Once again illustrating the cost/benefit of any of these charts. Sometimes they don't mean much beyond the chart itself.

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