Comments on: Meet the new Roy, same as the old Roy This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Johnny Twisto Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:05:01 +0000 ^ Max, I stand corrected.

By: rick Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:56:53 +0000 oswalt is not that good..... thats why the cards took a sniff, and said no thanks.

By: Doug Moore Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:46:00 +0000 Interesting examples of Bobs, Dons and Daves - but those names were extremely popular names in the era that the respective pitchers were born in. Roy was far, far less common when Oswalt and Halladay were born.

By: dukeofflatbush Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:05:57 +0000 @ 39
Was it Terry 'Eugene' Blocker ?

By: Evan Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:47:37 +0000 John Autin @42,

"Max" made posts in 7 or 8 different discussions on this blog in a style that could best be described as an attempt to imitate a spambot. Having read these posts, it was clear that his intent was not to add any useful points to the discussion, but merely to post the url for his website. One of the administrators of this blog @30 has said he is looking into how to keep "Max" and his ilk off the blog.

Based upon the content of his posts, I had no reason to believe that "Max" had any intention to engage in a conversation with anyone on this blog, that is why I addressed my criticism of his post to JT and not to "Max."

I considered all of this (except that Andy is seeing if he can ban him) at the time I typed my comment, which was not made in haste.

His website might contain some of the most insightful baseball commentary available, it might contain pornography, I really don't know because I have no intention of clicking on his link. Either way, I don't think his post were an appropriate use of this forum.

By: Basmati Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:56:51 +0000 PS: Roy's debut ain't going so good - so far he's given up 5 runs (4 earned) in 5 innings. Looks like his W/L record won't be improving any time soon.

Actually that reminds me, there has been a lot of chat on recent HOF poll posts on this site regarding whether landmarks should guarantee HOF entry (eg 3000 hits, 300 wins). It struck me surely 3000 hits should carry more weight than 300 wins as wins are far more team-dependent that hits?

An example:
Roy Oswalt started 291 games for the Astros. He got 143 wins. But the Astros won 179 of those games or 61.5%. Overall for 2001-2010 the Astros are 802-756 or 51.5%. This means they won 49.2% of games Oswalt didn't start.
Andy Pettitte has started 393 games for the Yankees and won 203. The Yankees won 251 of these games (63.9%). Overall from 95-03 and 07-10 the Yankees are 1216-807 or 60.1%.

I've just realised these numbers aren't 100% because both pitchers made a few relief appearances but they should be close enough to illustrate the point, which is that while Pettitte may finish with more wins and have a better shot at 300, he has merely made a very strong Yankees team a bit better whereas Oswalt made an average Astros team a lot better. Not saying Pettitte isn't a great pitcher because he still added value to the Yankees (as good as they have been) over his career, but pitching for the Yankees has clearly been worth a few extra wins per year versus playing for a losing team, a la Houston of late.

By: Basmati Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:25:34 +0000 @38
Surely Carlton winning 27 of 59 games is a record for one player? That's pushing 50%...

By: DoubleDiamond Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:11:38 +0000 For two consecutive years, in 1989 and 1990, the first pick in the whole draft was someone with the first name of Larry - Larry Benard "Ben" McDonald and Larry Wayne "Chipper" Jones.

When I moved to Philadelphia in the mid-1980s, the top two stars in the "other" sports played with balls (as opposed to pucks) both had the middle name of Wade - Randall Wade Cunningham and Charles Wade Barkley. I don't know all of the Phillies' players middle names from that time period, but the one player with Wade in the middle that I have noticed in all of these years is Matthew Wade Stairs. He wore Cunningham's old Eagles number, 12, as did Randall Carlito Simon during his short tenure with the Phils a couple of years earlier. If the Phillies ever get a player with the last name of Cunningham, would they dare assign him #12?

Both Marlon Byrd and Marlon Anderson originally came up with the Phillies. They may be the only two players ever with the first name of Marlon. Both broke up no-hitters late in the game during the same week, possibly even on the same day, but while playing for different teams, a few years ago. Both were with the Phillies in the 2002 season.

The only player with the first name of Roy to win the ROY award was Roy Sievers of the St. Louis Browns in 1949, the third year of the award and the first year for which there were separate AL and NL awards. Siervers' real first name is Roy, as is Oswalt's, and both have the same middle name, Edward. I know that Oswalt finished second in the NL in 2001. It would take me a while to see if any other guys who played under the first name of Roy finished that high in the balloting. Roy Sievers played for the Washington Senators through most of the 1950s and was never in the right place to play in the World Series. He was traded to the White Sox in the 1959-1960 offseason. He even played for the 1964 Phillies, but he was sold to the expansion Senators in July of that year. Hmm, maybe he would have been the difference for that team.

Sievers played for the Chisox 50 years ago today against his old team in Griffith Stadium. He went 1 for 4 with a run scored and 2 RBI's, and he also walked once. His hit was a 2-run homer. In the top of the 11th inning, with future Hall-of-Famers Luis Aparacio and Nellie Fox on base with nobody out, he was safe on an error. Aparicio scored from third, but no RBI was recorded. So, all three of Chicago's runs in their 3-2 victory that day resulted from at-bats by Sievers.

Coincidentally, the almost-ROY (but for Pujols) Roy will be appearing for the defending World Series losers, for whom he did not play the previous year, in Washington today.

Oh, and by the way, whenever I hear a name that sounds like "Sever" or "Severs", the first baseball player whose name comes to mind is someone who was a Rookie-of-the-Year and whose birthday falls between November 16 and November 19. Roy Sievers, of course.

By: Kahuna Tuna Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:10:16 +0000 Josh at #19 got me thinking, what is the record for the most percentage of team wins by two teammates in the modern era?

I'll propose Elmer Meyers and Bullet Joe Bush, 1916 Athletics: 29 of 36 wins, or 80.6%.

By: Johnny Twisto Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:37:31 +0000 John Autin, do you really think people "don't realize" Roy Oswalt is a good pitcher because he has a bad record for a bad team this season, after compiling exceptional records for the past decade?