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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pre-Play Index early-season no-hitters (how&#039;s that for some hyphens!):

- Addie Joss, 4/20/1910, CLE 1, CHW 0; 5th game
- Rube Marquard, 4/15/1915, NYG 2, BRO 0; 2nd game
- Eddie Cicotte, 4/14/1917, CHW 11, SLA 0; 3rd game
- George Mogridge, 4/24/1917, NYY 2, BOS 1; 9th game
- Bob Feller, 4/16/1940, CLE 1, CHW 0; 1st game
- Tex Carleton, 4/30/1940, BRO 3, CIN 0; 9th game
- Jim Tobin, 4/27/1944, BSN 2, BRO 0; 8th game
- Ed Head, 4/23/1946, BRO 5, BSN 0; 7th game
- Bob Feller, 4/30/1946, CLE 1, NYY 0; 10th game]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pre-Play Index early-season no-hitters (how's that for some hyphens!):</p>
<p>- Addie Joss, 4/20/1910, CLE 1, CHW 0; 5th game<br />
- Rube Marquard, 4/15/1915, NYG 2, BRO 0; 2nd game<br />
- Eddie Cicotte, 4/14/1917, CHW 11, SLA 0; 3rd game<br />
- George Mogridge, 4/24/1917, NYY 2, BOS 1; 9th game<br />
- Bob Feller, 4/16/1940, CLE 1, CHW 0; 1st game<br />
- Tex Carleton, 4/30/1940, BRO 3, CIN 0; 9th game<br />
- Jim Tobin, 4/27/1944, BSN 2, BRO 0; 8th game<br />
- Ed Head, 4/23/1946, BRO 5, BSN 0; 7th game<br />
- Bob Feller, 4/30/1946, CLE 1, NYY 0; 10th game</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stoneman&#039;s no-hitter brought the 1969 expansion Expos up to 4-5. They would never be that close to .500 again, finishing 52-110. Comparing that to Jack Morris&#039; 1984 Tigers, I think we can safely say that an early no-hitter has little predictive value for a team&#039;s prospects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stoneman's no-hitter brought the 1969 expansion Expos up to 4-5. They would never be that close to .500 again, finishing 52-110. Comparing that to Jack Morris' 1984 Tigers, I think we can safely say that an early no-hitter has little predictive value for a team's prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahuna Tuna</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5429/comment-page-1#comment-16109</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How many no-hitters in history have earned the pitcher a loss?&lt;/i&gt;

The Wikipedia page has that information.

&quot;While the vast majority of no-hitters are shutouts, no-hit teams have managed to score runs in their respective games a number of times, &lt;b&gt;but only twice has a team been no-hit and still won the game.&lt;/b&gt; The Cincinnati Reds defeated the Houston Colt .45s (now called the Houston Astros) 1-0 on April 23, 1964, even though they were no-hit by Houston starter Ken Johnson, and the Detroit Tigers defeated the Baltimore Orioles 2-1 on April 30, 1967, even though they were no-hit by Baltimore starter Steve Barber and reliever Stu Miller.&quot;  (Emphasis added.)  Your question seems to ask how many starting pitchers were charged with the loss in no-hit games; Johnson and Barber did take the losses in these games.

Games classified as no-hitters before 1991 include a) no-hit games pitched by visiting teams in which the home team led after the top of the ninth (4, including the Andy Hawkins 0-to-4 and Matt Young 1-to-2 games), b) shortened games (1 loss, in the 1884 Union Association), and c) no-hit games broken up in extra innings (11 losses, of which one was debited to a relief pitcher).

So the broadest answer to your question appears to be 18, with the qualifiers that 16 of those games do not meet the formal present-day definition of a no-hitter.  The loss in one of the &quot;non-qualifying&quot; no-hitters was charged to a relief pitcher who pitched only one inning.  Eleven of the 18 games went into extra innings, during which the team hitless in regulation got at least one base hit and won the game.  Mr. Haddix could quibble, but those aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;really&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; no-hitters.  One no-hit loss lasted five innings and took place in a marginal major league in an era when the lone umpire wore a top hat — again, probably not a real no-hitter.  The other six no-hit losses were completed in nine innings, although four of the six were pitched by road teams who didn&#039;t have to pitch the bottom of the ninth, thus disqualifying those games from the formal present-day definition of a no-hitter.  Per the paragraph above, the narrowest answer to your question is two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many no-hitters in history have earned the pitcher a loss?</i></p>
<p>The Wikipedia page has that information.</p>
<p>"While the vast majority of no-hitters are shutouts, no-hit teams have managed to score runs in their respective games a number of times, <b>but only twice has a team been no-hit and still won the game.</b> The Cincinnati Reds defeated the Houston Colt .45s (now called the Houston Astros) 1-0 on April 23, 1964, even though they were no-hit by Houston starter Ken Johnson, and the Detroit Tigers defeated the Baltimore Orioles 2-1 on April 30, 1967, even though they were no-hit by Baltimore starter Steve Barber and reliever Stu Miller."  (Emphasis added.)  Your question seems to ask how many starting pitchers were charged with the loss in no-hit games; Johnson and Barber did take the losses in these games.</p>
<p>Games classified as no-hitters before 1991 include a) no-hit games pitched by visiting teams in which the home team led after the top of the ninth (4, including the Andy Hawkins 0-to-4 and Matt Young 1-to-2 games), b) shortened games (1 loss, in the 1884 Union Association), and c) no-hit games broken up in extra innings (11 losses, of which one was debited to a relief pitcher).</p>
<p>So the broadest answer to your question appears to be 18, with the qualifiers that 16 of those games do not meet the formal present-day definition of a no-hitter.  The loss in one of the "non-qualifying" no-hitters was charged to a relief pitcher who pitched only one inning.  Eleven of the 18 games went into extra innings, during which the team hitless in regulation got at least one base hit and won the game.  Mr. Haddix could quibble, but those aren't <i><b>really</b></i> no-hitters.  One no-hit loss lasted five innings and took place in a marginal major league in an era when the lone umpire wore a top hat — again, probably not a real no-hitter.  The other six no-hit losses were completed in nine innings, although four of the six were pitched by road teams who didn't have to pitch the bottom of the ninth, thus disqualifying those games from the formal present-day definition of a no-hitter.  Per the paragraph above, the narrowest answer to your question is two.</p>
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		<title>By: purrington</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Forsch no-hitters are eerily similar. Almost exactly one year apart, same number of BBs and Ks, same batters faced and ABs, almost the same final score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Forsch no-hitters are eerily similar. Almost exactly one year apart, same number of BBs and Ks, same batters faced and ABs, almost the same final score.</p>
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		<title>By: failurehood</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many no-hitters in history have earned the pitcher a loss?]]></description>
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		<title>By: Whiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice list, even if it is from Wikipedia :-)

I love how in some of the early no-hitters the team with no hits scored two runs. Although it wasn&#039;t until 1967 that a team with no hits and two runs actually won the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice list, even if it is from Wikipedia 🙂</p>
<p>I love how in some of the early no-hitters the team with no hits scored two runs. Although it wasn't until 1967 that a team with no hits and two runs actually won the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahuna Tuna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kahuna Tuna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used off-site databases.  [&lt;i&gt;*braces self for thrown objects*&lt;/i&gt;]  Specifically Wikipedia.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;List of MLB no-hitters&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_game&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;List of MLB perfect games&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used off-site databases.  [<i>*braces self for thrown objects*</i>]  Specifically Wikipedia.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters" rel="nofollow">List of MLB no-hitters</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_game" rel="nofollow">List of MLB perfect games</a></p>
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		<title>By: Whiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Kahuna, you must have used slightly different assumptions? (Or a different database.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kahuna, you must have used slightly different assumptions? (Or a different database.)</p>
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		<title>By: Whiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachary,

A quick search using PI team game finder yields 153 no-hit games (1920-1939, 1952-present) of 9 innings or more, and only 12 had no base runners. So it looks like 1 in 12.75 or slightly less than 8% of no-hitters are perfect games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary,</p>
<p>A quick search using PI team game finder yields 153 no-hit games (1920-1939, 1952-present) of 9 innings or more, and only 12 had no base runners. So it looks like 1 in 12.75 or slightly less than 8% of no-hitters are perfect games.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahuna Tuna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kahuna Tuna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Here&#039;s a question: what percentage of no-hitters are perfect games?&lt;/i&gt;

Eighteen of 263 = 6.8%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Here's a question: what percentage of no-hitters are perfect games?</i></p>
<p>Eighteen of 263 = 6.8%.</p>
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