Comments on: At least 1 RBI per game This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Baseball-Reference Blog » Blog Archive » Jim Edmonds’ Hall of Fame chances Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:16:10 +0000 [...] a recent blog post here, a reader pointed us to a discussion on another blog about Jim Edmonds' Hall of Fame chances. [...]

By: Andy Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:33:29 +0000 Interesting about Edmonds. Everybody hold your thoughts and I will make a new post for discussion on this.

By: rico petrocelli Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:17:36 +0000 Gang,

Interesting post from 'House That Dewey Built...a great blog.

They ask

Is Jim Edmonds a Hall of Famer?

" Edmonds is an interesting case; a guy who was generally regarded as an excellent fielder by his peers (he’s won multiple Gold Glove Awards in CF), but one item not up for debate is the quality of his bat, as his career OPS+ of 132 places him squarely among a group of several Hall of Fame outfielders.

Career Wins Above Replacement Player for a bunch of well-known outfielders:

Player Career WARP3
Tony Gwynn 78.50
Roberto Clemente 78.30
Jim Edmonds 72.20
Willie Stargell 66.00
Billy Williams 63.40
Dave Winfield 62.60
Richie Ashburn 61.60
Andre Dawson 59.60
Dwight Evans 59.50
Duke Snider 53.60
Jose Canseco 47.10
Dale Murphy 45.30
Moises Alou 45.20
Kiki Cuyler 43.60
Kirby Puckett 43.40
Dave Parker 40.20
Fred Lynn 37.50
Lou Brock 37.20
Earl Averill 36.60
Tony Oliva 36.20
Jim Rice 34.20

It appears that Edmonds clearly deserves to be enshrined,"

Your thoughts?

By: Andy Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:54:03 +0000 I have a bit of a mea culpa to admit. I messed up my search for this post, accidentally setting it for RBI > Games when in fact I meant to do RBI > 0.999 * Games. As a result of my error, it missed seasons such as mentioned by Rob in comment #12 above, when Sosa had 160 RBI in 160 games.

The full correct list is available here.

Included in the new list are Juan Gonzalez and Sosa both in 2001, Richie Sexson with 23 RBI in 23 games in 2004, Ken Griffey Jr. with 140 RBI in 140 games in 1996, as well as lots of seasons with 1 RBI in 1 game, 2 RBI in 2 games, etc.

Sorry for my mistake.

By: Jacob Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:53:44 +0000 >>>Of the other in-betweeners on the list (Baker, Timmons, Quinn, Bond, Greengrass, Merson, Sington, and Greenberg) only one, Greenberg, went on to have any significant major-league success as a hitter.>>>

I wouldn't go so far as to say Greenberg "went on" to have significant success. In fact, he was already the reigning MVP from 1935, when he had 170 RBI in 152 games. And he was having a stellar April -- 16 RBI in his first 12 games -- when he severely broke his wrist in a collision with Washington's Jake Powell that month.

Otherwise, Greenberg was merely continuing a torrid pace that he would stay on through the 1940 season: In 912 games from 1934-40, "Hammerin' Hank" had 916 RBI, a rate similar to the aforementioned Gehrig.

By: DavidRF Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:53:13 +0000 Retrosheet's got dailies for 1920-1939 (+1940 AL) on their site now. 17 of the top 20 single-season RBI seasons are from that time period (Manny and two Sam Thompson seasons are the exceptions). Once those dailies get here we could have some fun with pace discussions.

Hack Wilson had 53 RBI in August during his record season so he likely didn't set a fast early pace.

By: TheGoof Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:34:42 +0000 Hank Greenberg had 125 RBI in 96 games at the end of July in 1935, a pace of just under 200.

By: Thomas Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:00:04 +0000 The fact that Manny was on pace for over 200 RBI's in late June boggles the mind...

By: Raphy Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:23:36 +0000 Regarding #11. Dave, it isn't hard to believe when you consider that since 1961 (when the schedule was lengthened to 162 games) only 1 player has recorded more than 162 RBI in a season (Manny '99).

By: Raphy Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:20:05 +0000 Regarding #8 -
The latest date in 1999 in which Manny was on pace for 170 (assuming that he played every remaining game) was September 7th. Manny had 143 RBI in 127 games played. The Indians had 24 games remaining.

The latest date for which he was on pace for 180 (actually 181.8 the next day was 179.6) was July 21. He had 101 RBI in 85 games with 68 games remaining.

The latest date that he was on pace for 190 (192.4 the next day was 189.5) was June 29th. He had 83 RBI in 66 games with 87 remaining.

The latest date that he was on pace for over 200 (202.6) was June 19. He had 79 RBI in 62 games with 97 to play.

Last day over 210: June 2
Last day over 220: May 22