Comments on: More shutouts than losses http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9807 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:06:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9807 Miller has no shutout in his record for 1955. I don't know why. (Unless the rule was changed between Miller and Allen)

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9806 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:49:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9806 Uh yeah, I had that backwards.

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9805 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:47:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9805 Here's the rule that gives Allen the shutout:

10.18 SHUTOUTS
A shutout is a statistic credited to a pitcher who allows no runs in a game. No pitcher shall be credited with pitching a shutout unless he pitches the complete game, or unless he enters the game with none out before the opposing team has scored in the first inning, puts out the side without a run scoring and pitches the rest of the game without allowing a run...

Other than Allen the only other player since 1954 to pitch a shutout that was not a complete game was Bob Miller in 1955.

Andy, are you thinking of the game in which Ruth was tossed and Ernie Shore came in and was perfect?

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9802 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:12:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9802 To be fair, Raphy pointed out some of Gerry's post in #14 when he and I were chatting last night.

That Neil Allen thing is weird. Looks like he came in relief with no outs in the game linked below, and proceeded to throw 9 innings of scoreless relief. Hence a shutout but not a CG. Babe Ruth did that too, eh?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK198805310.shtml

Al Leiter must have gotten hit by the batted ball or sustained some other injury on the play.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9801 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:59:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9801 By the way, if you want something really freaky, there have been a few pitchers with more shutouts than wins. According to a post by Wayne McElreavy to the SABR mailing list in 2002, Grover Lowdermilk of the 1911 Cardinals, Herb Bradley of the 1928 Red Sox, Ray Moss of the 1928 Dodgers, and Rip Coleman of the 1957 A's all finished the season with one shutout (in a scoreless tie) and no wins. He also notes that Neil Allen of the 1988 Yankees had more shutouts (1) than complete games (0).

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9800 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:47:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9800 That Guidry 1978 season, 9 shutouts with only 3 losses, stands out. I did some unsystematic searching through the pre-1954 seasons and didn't find any other pitcher with that great a difference between shutout and loss totals.

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9799 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:11:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9799 Here's another fun one that comes up from time to time...

More HR than Strikeouts:

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/Y4MqQ

Done only twice since the 50s.

Here we can only go back to 1913 as strikeout info is missing for a bit before then (double-checked retrosheet).

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9798 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:22:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9798 I will make Sean aware of it. Never fear!

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9797 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:20:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9797 Not to beat a dead horse, but the 1954 limit is a bit perplexing. Seems to only affect comparative searches and only for pitchers. Batters work fine as seen by my "more walks than hits" query here:

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/KEhP9

Maybe this limitation could be removed at some point?

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By: jksesq1 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3323/comment-page-1#comment-9796 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:57:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=3323#comment-9796 Wow! I had no idea that (ShO >= L) had happened this frequently. I would have guessed this only happened a few times.

It's sad that the CG shutout is almost a thing of the past; only two 10-shutout seasons since 1968 and unlikely to ever happen again. And I forgot what a monster season Tudor had in '85. He had the bad luck to have it fall during one of Doc Gooden's best seasons, and then got outpitched by Saberhagen in the World Series, so his amazing season fell under the radar.

By the way if any admins are reading, the "oggifinogi" ad server is really killing player searches right now 🙁

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