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By: nesnhab Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:18:45 +0000 MLB TV did a coy follow up to the World Series just last night--presenting several classic Cardinals WS highlight reels.

Regardless of what you think of the quality of the current Cardinals, it was fun to be reminded that these guys have been periodically throwing big market boys on the block a beating for three generations.

By: Matthew Conrwell Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:39:10 +0000 Regarding the Cardinals and their strength of schedule, etc.

Including the postseason:

The Cardinals SOS against was .507 and they finished 22 games over .500. The Red Sox finished with a SOS @ .505 in the regular season, for comparison.

Vs. teams over .500, the Cardinals were 41-34, with wining records vs. the NL East and the American League

Over their last 50 games, the Cards were 34-16 (.680) with 31 of those games vs. the Phillies, Brewers, Rangers, and Braves. Total domination of very good teams.

Since the late July bullpen makeover and Furcal trade, the Cards are 17 games over .500.

Without 17 DL trips (many of them long-term trips and/or to the team's best players: Freese, Craig, Holliday, Pujols, and of course Wianwright), the Cards win close to 100 games easily.

By: SocraticGadfly Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:20:55 +0000 @43 ... I think the author is perhaps pining for the "good old days" a bit much. Our population is double what it was in 1950, while MLB teams are also double.

Many commentators bemoan that black athletes today play football or basketball, not baseball. Counterfact: They were just coming in to MLB in 1950, and no Caribbean or Asian talent was in MLB at that time.

And, pre-1950, the ratio of teams to population was worse then than today, so there was MORE talent dilution pre-WWII than now.

On the other hand, I think it is true, what he says, about decline in fundamentals. OTOH, that's not just baseball, it's other sports, too. At the same time, I think he overstates that to a degree.

By: John Autin Sun, 30 Oct 2011 03:48:47 +0000 If the 1973 Mets (82-79, next-to-last in scoring) had won the World Series (they led Oakland 3-2 and had Seaver starting game 6), would that be considered the biggest surprise WS win ever?

By: scott-53 Sun, 30 Oct 2011 02:55:41 +0000 @35: Good article but how can you have a thin talent base with only 240 everyday starters & players coming in from Japan, Mexico, Dominican Republic & South America to name a few places.

By: scott-53 Sun, 30 Oct 2011 02:36:40 +0000 @39: Same thing in NFL. Last year was first time in a long time both Super Bowl teams made it back to the playoffs the next year. Colts & Saints. If I remember right they both lost in the wild card round. Also if I remember right it was
11 or 12 out of 20 Super Bowl teams from 2000-2009 that failed to make the playoffs the following year.

Of course the NFL & NBA pay even less than MLB for a Championship. At least you can make the Major League minimum for winning a World Series.

By: nesnhab Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:08:04 +0000 @39 I contend that as of 1969 "this" had NOT happened "a lot". It had happened almost never.

A lot of distant memories of the 1914 Braves were brought up as a one else could cite anything even remotely similar. I should note that Bill James maintains that the 1961 Reds were a "miracle" as much as the Mets were.

By: nesnhab Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:04:56 +0000 @37 The earliest I can remember of their being referred to as "miraculous", was when they beat the Cubs by scoring three runs in the bottom of the ninth inning off Fergie Jenkins...on July 7th, and then got a near-perfect one hitter from Tom Seaver the next night...expectations for the Mets from year to year were pretty low...