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	<title>Comments on: Dom DiMaggio and brothers in baseball</title>
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		<title>By: JohnnyTwisto</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1525/comment-page-1#comment-6700</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Brian Giles had gotten a chance to play sooner, and if he hadn&#039;t had his prime seasons for the Siberia Pirates, he might be seen as a borderline HOFer.

I&#039;m not sure how you&#039;d wanna frame it, but there might be an interesting entry to be made on woulda/coulda guys like Giles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Brian Giles had gotten a chance to play sooner, and if he hadn't had his prime seasons for the Siberia Pirates, he might be seen as a borderline HOFer.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how you'd wanna frame it, but there might be an interesting entry to be made on woulda/coulda guys like Giles.</p>
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		<title>By: JR66</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about Mike Maddux? He was a very effective reliever for a long time. And from 2003-2005 Marcus Giles was a pretty good 2B with an OPS+ of 121. His brother Brian over the same period had an OPS+ of 139.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Mike Maddux? He was a very effective reliever for a long time. And from 2003-2005 Marcus Giles was a pretty good 2B with an OPS+ of 121. His brother Brian over the same period had an OPS+ of 139.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob and Roy Johnson were both pretty good. In another venue, I noted that John Paciorek probably had the best rate stats of anyone whose brother had a better career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob and Roy Johnson were both pretty good. In another venue, I noted that John Paciorek probably had the best rate stats of anyone whose brother had a better career.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of you guys are really missing the point. We&#039;re talking about good players who had even better brothers. Ozzie Canseco, for example, was not a good player in the major leagues.

Also bunnywrangler is right...Luke, Joe, and Tommy Sewell were all brothers and Rip was their cousin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you guys are really missing the point. We're talking about good players who had even better brothers. Ozzie Canseco, for example, was not a good player in the major leagues.</p>
<p>Also bunnywrangler is right...Luke, Joe, and Tommy Sewell were all brothers and Rip was their cousin.</p>
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		<title>By: mattbucher</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken Brett overshadowed by his brother George.
Ozzie Canseco overshadowed by his brother Jose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Brett overshadowed by his brother George.<br />
Ozzie Canseco overshadowed by his brother Jose.</p>
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		<title>By: BunnyWrangler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure that Joe Sewell&#039;s brother was not Rip Sewell, who devised the eephus, but Luke Sewell, a prototypical good-field, no-hit catcher.

The Coveleskis, Stan and Harry, were both good. Harry had some very good years in the 1910s, and Stan was a Hall-of-Famer.

Both Carlos and Lee May were good, although they also had some major deficiencies.

That&#039;s pretty much all that I have, unless anyone feels that Wilton Guerrero was unfairly overlooked by the masses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm pretty sure that Joe Sewell's brother was not Rip Sewell, who devised the eephus, but Luke Sewell, a prototypical good-field, no-hit catcher.</p>
<p>The Coveleskis, Stan and Harry, were both good. Harry had some very good years in the 1910s, and Stan was a Hall-of-Famer.</p>
<p>Both Carlos and Lee May were good, although they also had some major deficiencies.</p>
<p>That's pretty much all that I have, unless anyone feels that Wilton Guerrero was unfairly overlooked by the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: barryg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mel and Todd Stottlemyre- Mel wins
 Cecil and Prince Fielder- A tossup
 Dave and Adam La Roche- tough one
 Sandy Alomar Sr.- Junior and Roberto win
 Yogi and Dale Berra- not worthy of discussion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel and Todd Stottlemyre- Mel wins<br />
 Cecil and Prince Fielder- A tossup<br />
 Dave and Adam La Roche- tough one<br />
 Sandy Alomar Sr.- Junior and Roberto win<br />
 Yogi and Dale Berra- not worthy of discussion</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyTwisto</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh the Boyers are a good one, forgot about them.  Also a 3rd brother, Cloyd, who wasn&#039;t too good.

Anyway, to actually try answering the question....Dom certainly seems near the top of second-fiddle brothers.  I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s actually inferior to Lloyd Waner, who was not a worthy HOF choice.  Jim Perry and Joe Niekro are in the running.  Wes Ferrell might be the top choice, if we consider him the overshadowed brother simply because he&#039;s the one not in the HOF, though he&#039;s probably more deserving of that honor than Rick.

***

GOOD fathers and sons:

Ken Griffey Sr. is overshadowed by Jr.
It&#039;s not obvious to me whether Ray Boone, son Bob, or grandson Bret is a superior player.  Aaron was probably a step behind.
Bobby Bonds overshadowed by Barry.
I suppose Felipe Alou takes a backseat to Moises, but it&#039;s close.

Any cases where the father was obviously better, but the son was still a good player?  (No Pete Rose Jr&#039;s here)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh the Boyers are a good one, forgot about them.  Also a 3rd brother, Cloyd, who wasn't too good.</p>
<p>Anyway, to actually try answering the question....Dom certainly seems near the top of second-fiddle brothers.  I'm not sure he's actually inferior to Lloyd Waner, who was not a worthy HOF choice.  Jim Perry and Joe Niekro are in the running.  Wes Ferrell might be the top choice, if we consider him the overshadowed brother simply because he's the one not in the HOF, though he's probably more deserving of that honor than Rick.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>GOOD fathers and sons:</p>
<p>Ken Griffey Sr. is overshadowed by Jr.<br />
It's not obvious to me whether Ray Boone, son Bob, or grandson Bret is a superior player.  Aaron was probably a step behind.<br />
Bobby Bonds overshadowed by Barry.<br />
I suppose Felipe Alou takes a backseat to Moises, but it's close.</p>
<p>Any cases where the father was obviously better, but the son was still a good player?  (No Pete Rose Jr's here)</p>
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		<title>By: barryg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about fathers and sons who have overshadowed one another?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about fathers and sons who have overshadowed one another?</p>
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		<title>By: chubybear</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget Paul Reuschel, overshadowed by brother Rick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't forget Paul Reuschel, overshadowed by brother Rick.</p>
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