Comments on: Allowing 16+ Runs In A Game 9 Innings Or Less 4X In A Season

By: jay

jay — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:26:34 +0000

On July 23, 1930, the Phillies lost 15-16 to the Pirates in 13 innings in the second game of a doubleheader. On the 24th, they lost 15-19 to the Cubs. Yes, they scored thirty runs in back-to-back games and lost both games! On September 23, they scored 16 runs against the Cardinals ... but they gave up 19! On the season they scored ten runs or more 26 times but won only 17 of those games. Never has so much great offense been spoiled by such terrible pitching.

By: DoubleDiamond

DoubleDiamond — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:36:01 +0000

Not surprising that the other team, besides the 1922 Cubs, to win one of these games was the Rockies, in 2008. And yes, that win was in Colorado, 18-17, over their 1993 expansion twin Marlins, on the 4th of July. Must have been one heck of a fireworks display! One of their other 16+ loss games that year was a 20-5 game against the Phillies - in Citizens Bank Park (only 8 offensive innings for those 20 runs, and for that matter, only 8 for those 18 runs in that Marlins game). The Phillies also scored 20 runs in a game in St. Louis that season.

By: Neil L.

Neil L. — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:17:53 +0000

@16
Doug, very nice catch on a modern-era game.

By: Kahuna Tuna

Kahuna Tuna — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:23:10 +0000

The Baker Bowl Phillies make the list nine times in 17 seasons (1922-38). The fun part about that is that the 1938 team played only 28 games in Baker Bowl, yet allowed 16+ runs in three of those games.

By: Mustachioed Repetition

Mustachioed Repetition — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:26:20 +0000

Interesting stuff guys about the mutating qualifications for a Win. Seems that the scorer used to have more say in giving the decision to someone who contributed the most, not just the guy fortunate enough to become the pitcher of record. Just another thing to remember when comparing stats across eras (though the effect is probably minimal). I wonder if it was decided scorers might feel too pressured or influenced in certain situations to give the decision to a particular player, so the rule became more codified.

By: Richard Chester

Richard Chester — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:15:42 +0000

@24 I left out the word "office" after commissioner's.

By: Richard Chester

Richard Chester — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:14:22 +0000

@15

Four days later on June 27, 1934 Dean pitched into the top of the ninth and was removed with two out with the score tied at 7-7. The reliever retired the next batter and Bill Delancey homered for the Cards in the bottom of the ninth, giving the Cards an 8-7 win. The official scorer, the same guy from the June 23 game, again gave the victory to Dean. Both of these decisions were referred to the NL commissioner's (Heydler) for approval. He approved. Dean finished the season with 30 wins.

By: Bip

Bip — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:11:02 +0000

@21

Their pitching staff combined for -1.5 WAR despite -68 runs contributed by the defense. So, subtract some of the worst defense imaginable and they are still under replacement level.

By: Ebessan

Ebessan — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:27:28 +0000

Well, obviously the Baker Bowl was a hole, but Shibe Park wasn't. The Athletics were just bad for thirty years.

Oh, the joys of being a Philadelphia Sports Fan.

By: Hartvig

Hartvig — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:21:56 +0000

Watching a 1930 Phillies game must have been a treat and a half. In spite of a team batting average of .315 and managing to score 944 runs they still managed to lose 102 games. They accomplished this by giving up 271 more runs than the second worst staff in the league. Wow.