Comments on: Most wins by a pitcher who never won 10 in a single season This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Charles Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:55:26 +0000 Tommy John 288 wins never won 100 with any team

By: LVW Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:15:49 +0000 Here's a trivia for you- most career wins without winning 100 games for any team.

By: Dukeofflatbush Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:28:45 +0000 Mustachioed,

I thought along the same lines as you, until I saw Trevor Hoffman with like 40 PAs. I think he was in more tie games than we give him credit for.

By: Mustachioed Repetition Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:03:36 +0000 Even in a tie game, closers rarely stay in more than one inning, and essentially never more than two. Since a lot of NL relievers come in after their spot has just batted, or on a double-switch, I doubt too many are getting pulled for pinch hitters when they would otherwise have stayed in.

By: Dukeofflatbush Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:19:46 +0000 Andy,
do you think modern American League closers get the advantage in compiling wins, due to their spot in the line up never coming up.
I think Rivera gets left in during a tie game, when say, Trevor Hoffman may get yanked if his turn came up.
Any thoughts or data on that?

By: Andy Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:10:25 +0000 Kelly, you win the prize! I was waiting for the first person to point out the stupidity of my post. It's obviously just a meaningless piece of trivia. Although for the record, I wouldn't say W's are a meaningless stat, just deceptive and quite overrated.

By: Kelly Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:56:21 +0000 Thought W's were a meaningless stat... I must be on the wrong site LOL

By: Thomas Court Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:27:54 +0000 @22

I think it is safe to remove the "almost" when talking about the certainty of Mariano Rivera's Hall of Fame chances.

He is ranked 13th all-time in lowest ERA. The next active player is Felix Hernandez who is ranked 245th. Try reading that one again.

When he is named to his 12th All-Star team this year, only Warren Spahn will have more selections as a pitcher. As a closer? He will have represented his league as many times as Bruce Sutter (6) and Dennis Eckersley combined (6) - and that includes Eck's two selections as a starter.

His post-season numbers almost defy belief:
139.2 innings, 0.71 ERA, 0.766 WHIP
His ERA is LOWER than his WHIP!!!

He will pass Trevor Hoffman for most career saves either this year or next. And it looks like he will hold the top spot for quite some time. Francisco Rodriguez is the only player young enough on the active saves list to even be considered a challenger. K-Rod was on pace to challenge Mo following his 62 save campaign in 2008. But in the three seasons since (K-Rod's prime years) Mariano has out-saved him 98-80. Rodriguez also had a few blown saves off the mound. Now K-Rod is actually talking about a possible set-up role. I think when Rivera is eligible, there will not be an active player close to him in total saves.

No "almost" about it. He is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

By: Detroit Michael Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:25:53 +0000 Dan/21,

Per Wikipedia, Joe Kennedy died of heart disease during the off-season:

To my eye, it sure doesn't look like he was going to win 10 games in a season when eyeballing his career record. He was never really the same after throwing 3,000+ pitches in the majors at age 23 back when Tampa Bay used to rush all of its prospects.

By: DoubleDiamond Thu, 30 Jun 2011 02:31:53 +0000 Steve Bedrosian and Pete Smith were once traded for each other.

Of those in the first part of the list, who were/are mainly relievers:

2 Cy Young Award winners - Bedrosian and Willie Hernandez

1 MVP - Hernandez

1 almost certain HOFer - Mariano Rivera

1 possible HOFer - Lee Smith