Comments on: Brett Gardner, Consistent Slugger This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Johnny Twisto Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:43:49 +0000 Johnny @#23..

Not at all.

I have no idea what this means.

By: statboy Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:15:23 +0000 FWIW, there's a good example of Mantle's speed at the 0:33 mark in this video. He hits a grounder to 2nd base (as a righty) and beats it out (or so says the ump).

By: Fireworks Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:05:10 +0000 You can't just look at Gardner's season last year and say he shouldn't change his approach. He does strike out a lot looking for someone with slap-power and given his speed and ability to beat out infield singles as well as pressure fielders into errors you do want him to find the right balance between putting 3-2 pitches in play and watching strike three sail past.

I've been watching him his whole career with the Yankees and sometimes he takes too many pitches or his swing is just off--his 'new approach' has nothing to do with it. When he first came up teams had the book on him (that he was patient) and he was down 0-2 seemingly every AB and didn't fair all that well.

I like that he's still trying to improve, maybe put a little more gap power into his game, because while his '10 season was nice overall it's not guaranteed to keep him on the Yankees roster and I doubt he just wants to lead-off for some moribund NL team playing in a pitcher's park (as well as that he hasn't been good during his career leading off--.689 OPS.).

Oh, and in case none of the previous paragraphs were persuasive, the reality is this year he's had a bad April--.188 .273 .391 .664, but May (.301 .379 .373 .752) and June so far (.318 .400 .409 .809) he picked it up. Yankees fans that have been paying attention to the stats had Gardner, Jeter, Swisher, and Posada digging the same hole in April, but Gardner had long since ceased to be in the same league of mediocrity, especially since league OPS is down again this year.

By: Daniel Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:59:27 +0000 # 37:

That's a little harsh I think. He has struggled, yet he has an OPS + of 97 and is a GREAT leftfielder, as good as Crawford or anyone else in the game. Don't take my word for it, check out his Dwar. Maybe last year was his upside, but he was a very solid player in '10 with a 5.2 WAR.

One other note. I'm a Yankee fan, and with tivo I watch an awful lot of Yankee games, skipping through dull parts. I thought he had lost a full step in speed up until last night. My "baseball clock" would say that an infield grounder he hit would be bang bang at first and he'd be out by over a step. Yesterday, for the first time, he was faster than my baseball clock said he would be. I was wondering if he had minor nagging injuries slowing him down. Now I'm pretty convinced he did. Let's see how he plays in coming weeks.

By: Chuck Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:51:40 +0000 Johnny @#23..

Not at all.


Agree; Mantle (and Pinson) were fast, but the timing mechanism and the human involvement most definitely altered the result.

Luis @#22

Steriods, mi amigo, steriods.


Lets understand that while Brett Gardner is attempting a change to his way of hitting, pitchers are also adjusting to him. Gardner is a very limited offensive player, if pitchers take away his strengths he has little or no way to compensate.

In most cases, the ability to see alot of pitches is a skill, in Gardner I see it as a fear of swinging, he's like that kid in Little League who always looked to walk because he knew he couldn't hit whomever it was on the mound.

Whatever it is he's doing, it ain't working, if he's not careful he could find himself working on his approach in Scranton.

By: Ed Sat, 11 Jun 2011 06:52:32 +0000 I think Al Sharpton was clocked in 2.9 seconds over 90 feet when he saw a TV camera....

By: howard rosen Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:36:03 +0000 I don't think anyone was more consistent than Eddie Murray, He had two seasons in which he had 174 hits in 610 ABs with 27 HRs that came fifteen years apart.

JohnQ, thanks for the link. I'm glad to see it was Gardner himself and not the Yankees that wanted to change his approach because it's a bad idea. I'm surprised that he tried to change his approach though. I'm guessing he felt like he wasn't getting enough respect.

By: Carl Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:04:46 +0000 In the "consistency" line, Albert Pujols, his first 5 years, had 590, 590, 591, 592 and 591 plate appearances, thus making this the first thread in history to mention both Brett Gardner and Alberty Pujols in the same sentance.

By: John Q Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:02:34 +0000 @29 Twisto,

Valid point but I'm still believe if it's not broke don't try to fix it. Gardner had on On-Base Percentage of .383 last season which was good for 8th in the AL. His new Aggressive approach gave him a line of .188/.273/.391 on April 30th.

It seems like he's been more patient at the plate and he's seeing more pitches since April. He's at 4.2 pitches per plate appearance now which is about his career average.

Neil L,

Slugging percentage is somewhat irrelevant at the lead-off spot. Optimally you would want to put the player with the highest on base percentage in that spot. The Yankees are a little bit odd because their two big sluggers, A-Rod & Tex, have the highest on base percentage on the team.

The Yankees offensive success this year seems to come entirely from the HR. They don't have one starter with a BA over .277 this year or a starter with an on-base over .360 yet they're third in the AL in runs scored. They don't have one batter in the top 34 in batting average and they don't have one batter in the top 22 in on-base percentage. But they do have 4 players in the top 16 in Slugging Percentage.

By: Richard Chester Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:28:46 +0000 Just for the record the fastest timed run around the bases was 13.3 seconds by a player named Evar Swanson in 1929.