Comments on: 1977 Topps #534 Paul Splittorff This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: John Q Sat, 28 May 2011 20:23:07 +0000 @25 Twisto,

Williams would have had this mark if it hadn't been for WW2 & Korea. He probably missed something like 30-40 WAR.

It's very rare these days to see players have long careers just with one team. I remember reading an article a few years ago about Jose Reyes being first or second on every Mets all-time record and now just a few years later it's not going to happen.

By: Johnny Twisto Sat, 28 May 2011 03:31:14 +0000 Good finds. That was a dumb theory on my part. The inner circle greats just accumulate so much more WAR than the run-of-the-mill stars. Gwynn looks like he's probably the leader on a percentage basis.

By: John Q Sat, 28 May 2011 03:01:34 +0000 @23 Twisto,

Actually it's mainly players on the oldest franchises. I think the main reason is the reserve clause. Brett and the Royals and Gwynn and the Padres are kind of the anomalies in this situation.


Ty Cobb-153.7
A. Kaline-91.0


E. Mathews-95.9
Difference: 45.3


A. Otis-42.3
Difference: 42.7




D. Winfield-30.4

Red Sox:

T. Williams-125.3
Difference: 36.6


Difference: 36.2

By: Johnny Twisto Fri, 27 May 2011 18:34:21 +0000 Maybe the Rockies and Helton? Nope, not close, only up by 15 on Walker.

A long career on a younger franchise is the key. But I'm not thinking of any other good candidates.

By: Johnny Twisto Fri, 27 May 2011 18:32:12 +0000 I'm thinking Padres, Gwynn vs.....Nate Colbert? Let's see

1...Tony Gwynn...68.4
2...Dave Winfield...30.4
3...Adrian Gonzalez...22.6
10...Nate Colbert...15.3

Edge, Brett.

By: John Q Fri, 27 May 2011 17:26:51 +0000 @20 Andy,

Good catch, I should have been more clear on that one. Here's the top ten for Royal position players:

1-George Brett-85.0
2-Amos Otis-42.3
3-Willie Wilson-35.7
4-Frank White-26.9
5-Hal McRae-26.1
6-Carlos Beltran-24.6
7-Mike Sweeney-22.2
8-David Dejesus-22.0
9-John Mayberry-20.2
10-Daryl Porter-17.3

That a huge gap between #1 and #2. I wonder if that's the biggest gap between a team's best player and their second best player.

By: Andy Fri, 27 May 2011 13:56:16 +0000 That's gotta be among pitchers obviously. George Brett must be #1 all-time.

By: John Q Fri, 27 May 2011 13:34:05 +0000 Here's the all time Royals leaders according to WAR:

1-Kevin Appier-44.1
2-Bret Saberhagen-37.3
3-Mark Gubicza-35.6
4-Dan Quisenberry-25.2
5-Dennis Leonard-25.0
6-Zach Grienke-22.7
7-Jeff Montgomery 21.5
8-Charlie Liebrandt-21.4
10-Larry Gura-16.6

By: Clem Vennison Fri, 27 May 2011 07:21:06 +0000 Splittorff was one heck of a competitor when he was on the bump. The only thing sadder than Split missing out on that '85 team is the fact that he won't be around to see this new batch of KC youngsters grow together.

By: Dan W Thu, 26 May 2011 23:50:38 +0000 Interestingly, neither Splittorf or Dennis Leanard ever made an all star game.