Comments on: Bartolo Colon’s great start This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Fireworks Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:44:47 +0000 @13 CC does not appear to be less effective. He had had a pretty good April and CC isn't that great in April. He was at best okay in 09 and 10 and he was terrible his first four starts in 08.

By: dukeofflatbush Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:28:27 +0000 @ Rico
In a recent chat we all were guessing at the same question. I found a few in 1971 that might take the HR cake. Aaron and Cepeda playing against Mays and McCovey.

By: rico petrocelli Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:35:20 +0000 I was at the game w my 9 year old son

Colon was dominant
Buerle was too -- one mistake to Cano in 1st

When Colon washed out with the Red Sox it was his attitude that sealed it...think he noshowed some practices etc

Maybe he has turned that around

A question: with arod (615) Dunn (350) and Jones (400)in line up there were probably. 2000 career homers across the starters. Could we calulate the most career HRs across 18 starters in a game?

I read Colon said "I thought I'd never pitch againin the najors". So to see him resurrect and rule was pretty inspiring

By: Cisco Bastidas Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:33:18 +0000 What a surprise to find a forum with respectful and knowledgeable people that really appreciate the game. The large majority uses sites like this to offend each other and vent their frustrations, but not here. Think i'll visiti this place more often. Thank you guys and May God bless you all....

By: Johnny Twisto Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:23:43 +0000 Even if we knew actual weights, I don't know how much it would help us. CC Sabathia may be (very) heavy, but I don't think he looks out of shape. Obviously he doesn't have a washboard stomach, and maybe I'd change my mind if I saw him shirtless. To me he just appears to be a very big guy who's carrying some extra pounds. David Wells looked to be in worse shape, but still carried himself like an athlete -- he could move quickly when covering 1st, for example. Colon just looks like a blob. That may not impair his pitching, but I wouldn't be surprised if it affects his fielding, and if carrying all that weight around will wear him down further as the season progresses. Especially since he hasn't been pitching anything close to a full season lately.

By: dukeofflatbush Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:44:37 +0000 Ponson's problem was not his belly, it was his brain.
I just find their to be (at least by watching the game) a greater percentage of pitchers whom are portly.
And it would make sense, in pitching, that weight could lend itself to speed.

By: Andy Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:23:23 +0000 Great example of sample bias, Noodle. For every David Wells, Curt Schilling, or Rick Reuschel, there's an Andy Sisco, Sidney Ponson, Eddie Kunz, Juan Gutierrez etc...tough to know the ratio.

By: Noodle Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:20:08 +0000 Well, a simple math approach would be to analyze if weight leads to breakdowns. The probelm is the listed weights are WAY UNDER actual.

So maybe we do this by asking who were the 10 fattest ptichers we can think of, and seeing how often they broke down...the problem is we only rememebr the ones who didn't. Maybe there were fat guys who broke down so fast we don't even remember them.

So now we are back to just pontificating.

By: John Autin Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:12:34 +0000 It's clearly a legitimate point of baseball discussion to question the stamina of any starting pitcher -- even one who appeared to be in good shape -- who has not topped 81 IP since 2007. (That's majors & minors combined.)

By: dukeofflatbush Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:47:26 +0000 About Bart's weight; I can think of several plus sized pitchers who seemed to do better while heavier.
As a Met fan, I can recall Sid Fernandez (If anyone here forgets or has never looked at Sid's rate #'s, please do) and his dominance, but also the year he reported to camp 30lbs lighter and was being touted as an early Cy Young favorite (maybe '89 or '90) and he simply fell apart then got injured without the weight.
Ditto for David Wells.
And it is too early to say, but CC Sabitia seems to be a bit less effective this year after shedding 25ilbs.