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		<title>By: DoubleDiamond</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that Gordon Beckham is on the list. I am such a hard core baseball lover who has absolutely no interest in soccer that I must be one of the very few sports section readers who will think Gordon or even Tim (high profile Tampa Bay draft pick who is still in the minors) when I see the name Beckham in a headline.

I just found out that the Phillies and a soccer team called the Union that is embarking on its second season in Philadelphia both have players named Carlos Ruiz. Both were born in the same year, 1979.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Gordon Beckham is on the list. I am such a hard core baseball lover who has absolutely no interest in soccer that I must be one of the very few sports section readers who will think Gordon or even Tim (high profile Tampa Bay draft pick who is still in the minors) when I see the name Beckham in a headline.</p>
<p>I just found out that the Phillies and a soccer team called the Union that is embarking on its second season in Philadelphia both have players named Carlos Ruiz. Both were born in the same year, 1979.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Twisto</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have seen no evidence that any particular hitter, or type of hitter, generates more fielding errors&lt;/i&gt;

Being right-handed, fast, and a ground ball hitter will all help.  Derek Jeter has led the league in ROE five times.  I think it is definitely a skill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have seen no evidence that any particular hitter, or type of hitter, generates more fielding errors</i></p>
<p>Being right-handed, fast, and a ground ball hitter will all help.  Derek Jeter has led the league in ROE five times.  I think it is definitely a skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Yippeeyappee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First thing I looked for was the (absent) Runs column, to see who unfortunately made the least of their opportunities - could you add it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First thing I looked for was the (absent) Runs column, to see who unfortunately made the least of their opportunities - could you add it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Autin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@6, DavidRF -- Good point about the stats shown in the table.  Since this blog post was about total times on base for the season, I think the search should have been done with the Season Finder, not the Game Finder; we would still see the same TOB results, but the rest of the stats would reflect the player&#039;s overall performance, not just in the games that he reached.

However, I believe that the Season Finder is currently not picking up times reached on error.  I ran the 2011 Season Finder for TOB with errors &#062;= 10, and I got only 15 results, not the 18 shown above; my results are missing Votto, Polanco and Ichiro.  When I lowered the threshold, the results showed Votto and Polanco with 9 and Ichiro with 8; for each player, those totals are reached entirely on hits+walks. 

Also, I ran the search for TOB &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; errors -- and got the exact same results.

Unfortunately, the Season Finder does not allow searching directly on ROE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6, DavidRF -- Good point about the stats shown in the table.  Since this blog post was about total times on base for the season, I think the search should have been done with the Season Finder, not the Game Finder; we would still see the same TOB results, but the rest of the stats would reflect the player's overall performance, not just in the games that he reached.</p>
<p>However, I believe that the Season Finder is currently not picking up times reached on error.  I ran the 2011 Season Finder for TOB with errors &gt;= 10, and I got only 15 results, not the 18 shown above; my results are missing Votto, Polanco and Ichiro.  When I lowered the threshold, the results showed Votto and Polanco with 9 and Ichiro with 8; for each player, those totals are reached entirely on hits+walks. </p>
<p>Also, I ran the search for TOB <em>without</em> errors -- and got the exact same results.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Season Finder does not allow searching directly on ROE.</p>
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		<title>By: John Autin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@4, Malcolm -- Here&#039;s my rationale for preferring TOB without errors:

1.  The phrase &quot;times on base&quot; is most commonly used in the sense of &lt;em&gt;reaching base safely&lt;/em&gt;, which explicitly excludes errors.

2.  Although no stat is a pure reflection of the batter&#039;s merit, and although the batter does deserve at least a bit of credit for putting the ball in play, the fact is that today&#039;s standard for assessing errors is such that the vast majority of them are routine plays.  I have seen no evidence that any particular hitter, or type of hitter, generates more fielding errors; so if two batters with similar contact rates have a wide difference in the number of times they reach on error in a given season, I believe that is almost all luck.  If we&#039;re trying to measure the batter&#039;s merit, we should weed out luck as much as we can.

3.  I don&#039;t view intentional walks as evidence of luck, in general.  True, the batter didn&#039;t do anything &lt;em&gt;in that time up&lt;/em&gt; to earn his way on base.  But more often than not, that IBB is given because of what the batter has done in the past -- the threat he presents.  The opposing team would rather put him on than let him hit.  Look at the top IBB recipients in 2010:  25 players got at least 10 IBBs; that group&#039;s median OPS+ was 134, and all but 5 were at 112 or higher.

Yes, a good chunk of IBBs go to NL #8 hitters, because the pitcher hits next.  Still, #8 hitters drew just 19% of all IBBs last year, while #3-4 hitters combined drew 37% of the IBBs.

And some IBBs are motivated as much by setting up a DP as by fear of the batter.  Yet, 58% of all IBBs came with 2 out, i.e., not for DP purposes.

Since it&#039;s clear that a sizeable chunk of IBBs are motivated by fear of the batter; and since, regardless of his merit, the IBB does deprive the hitter of a chance to reach base more honorably; I therefore prefer to treat all IBBs as legitimate times on base.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4, Malcolm -- Here's my rationale for preferring TOB without errors:</p>
<p>1.  The phrase "times on base" is most commonly used in the sense of <em>reaching base safely</em>, which explicitly excludes errors.</p>
<p>2.  Although no stat is a pure reflection of the batter's merit, and although the batter does deserve at least a bit of credit for putting the ball in play, the fact is that today's standard for assessing errors is such that the vast majority of them are routine plays.  I have seen no evidence that any particular hitter, or type of hitter, generates more fielding errors; so if two batters with similar contact rates have a wide difference in the number of times they reach on error in a given season, I believe that is almost all luck.  If we're trying to measure the batter's merit, we should weed out luck as much as we can.</p>
<p>3.  I don't view intentional walks as evidence of luck, in general.  True, the batter didn't do anything <em>in that time up</em> to earn his way on base.  But more often than not, that IBB is given because of what the batter has done in the past -- the threat he presents.  The opposing team would rather put him on than let him hit.  Look at the top IBB recipients in 2010:  25 players got at least 10 IBBs; that group's median OPS+ was 134, and all but 5 were at 112 or higher.</p>
<p>Yes, a good chunk of IBBs go to NL #8 hitters, because the pitcher hits next.  Still, #8 hitters drew just 19% of all IBBs last year, while #3-4 hitters combined drew 37% of the IBBs.</p>
<p>And some IBBs are motivated as much by setting up a DP as by fear of the batter.  Yet, 58% of all IBBs came with 2 out, i.e., not for DP purposes.</p>
<p>Since it's clear that a sizeable chunk of IBBs are motivated by fear of the batter; and since, regardless of his merit, the IBB does deprive the hitter of a chance to reach base more honorably; I therefore prefer to treat all IBBs as legitimate times on base.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidRF</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since TOB is on the leaderboard page, I&#039;m surprised that there isn&#039;t a TOB column in one of the sortable league tables.  But you have to get H, BB, HBP from the standard batting table and ROE from the baserunning table:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2011-baserunning-batting.shtml

... I guess you can&#039;t give away everything for free.  :-)

This is a recurring theme in these tables, but you should remove the TOB_roe &#062; 1 qualification for each game.  The inclusion of &quot;oh-fer&quot; games skews all the rate stats.  Alex Gordon&#039;s had a great start but two hitless games are missing so his numbers look more amazing than they should.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since TOB is on the leaderboard page, I'm surprised that there isn't a TOB column in one of the sortable league tables.  But you have to get H, BB, HBP from the standard batting table and ROE from the baserunning table:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2011-baserunning-batting.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2011-baserunning-batting.shtml</a></p>
<p>... I guess you can't give away everything for free.  🙂</p>
<p>This is a recurring theme in these tables, but you should remove the TOB_roe &gt; 1 qualification for each game.  The inclusion of "oh-fer" games skews all the rate stats.  Alex Gordon's had a great start but two hitless games are missing so his numbers look more amazing than they should.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gordon looks legit, he&#039;s been slaughtering all spring, the scariest thing was he had a really great bb:k ratio in the spring, which he has never had, if that improvement holds at all in the regular season he&#039;s gonna have a huge jump. someone with a short porch in right and an overpaid outfielder might trade for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gordon looks legit, he's been slaughtering all spring, the scariest thing was he had a really great bb:k ratio in the spring, which he has never had, if that improvement holds at all in the regular season he's gonna have a huge jump. someone with a short porch in right and an overpaid outfielder might trade for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to take away ROE on the grounds that the hitter didn&#039;t do anything to actively effect his reaching base, you need to take away intentional walks also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to take away ROE on the grounds that the hitter didn't do anything to actively effect his reaching base, you need to take away intentional walks also.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartan Bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So does reaching on a Fielders Choice count as well?

Also Kendrick and Abreu each had decent days today and are now at 15 apiece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does reaching on a Fielders Choice count as well?</p>
<p>Also Kendrick and Abreu each had decent days today and are now at 15 apiece.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John - yes, I took with errors on purpose.  The goal here was to ID activity on the base paths - no matter how you got there. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John - yes, I took with errors on purpose.  The goal here was to ID activity on the base paths - no matter how you got there. 😉</p>
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