Comments on: More homers than strikeouts in a season This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: 704_Brave Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:21:59 +0000 The game has changed tremendously since way back when (let's say prior to 1956). Not taking anything away from these guys on this list but consider these factors when analyzing SO numbers by batters these days (besides the obvious swinging for the fences):

1) The advent of the modern day bullpen. Obviously there are more specialists who come in the game from innings 6-9, so facing a tired starter vs. a guy throwing darts when you yourself might be tiring is definitely a factor.

2) Day games vs. night games. Seeing the ball a bit better in the sunlight vs. battling shadows or lights could be a factor.

3) Change of strategy. Could it be that more clubs played small ball or hit and run more often back in the day? Add that to the fact that striking out was taboo and frowned upon and you may have something...

Just thinking here, but obviously views change over time. The steroid era really hurt the game strategy-wise IMO because guys were told to hack away and swing for the fences, to rely on the 3 run homer instead of doing the fundamental things like moving runners along and placing emphasis on contact.

By: John Q Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:34:03 +0000 @Lawrence A,

Good points, the HOF voting procedure was very odd from 1937-1962.

By: Lawrence Azrin Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:47:49 +0000 #63/ Gerry Says: "The 5-year rule came in the early 50s..."

Yes, but the five-year waiting period for appearing on the HOF ballet wasn't _strictly_ enforced until the 1962 election (Robinson/ Feller). Before that, if the voters wanted to vote for someone who was not strictly eligible, they did it - in 1958, Warren Spahn got a vote, and he didn't retire for another seven years! Phil Rizzuto got a vote in 1956, the same year he retired.

That is why I've felt the "first ballot HOFer" was somewhat of a phony distinction, since there are NO "first ballot" HOFer's between 1937 and 1962. I am sure that I could make a team of non-first ballet HOFers that is clearly better than the weakest first-ballot HOFers (too lazy to do that now).

By: Gerry Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:09:15 +0000 The 5-year rule came in the early 50s. There was a clause exempting anyone who already had received 100 votes - that clause was custom-made for DiMaggio, the only player it applied to.

By: John Q Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:20:40 +0000 @ 54Gerry,

I think the thinking back then was that they weren't sure whether a player was going to come out of retirement so there wasn't a rush to make a player a "first ballot" HOF like in Foxx's case. The same thing basically happened to Joe Dimaggio as well.

I'm not sure but I think they started instituting the 5 year waiting period during the late 50's.

I think the 5 year waiting period was already instituted by the time Mize came on the ballot because his first time on the ballot was in 1960. Mize was eventually voted but by the Veteran's committee in 1981. The Mize omission was one of the worst omission by the writers in their history.

By: Richard Chester Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:50:34 +0000 #54
One big reason guys like Foxx and Greenberg needed several attempts to be voted into the HOF is because there was a huge backlog of potential HOFers who retired earlier than either of them and writers were giving them priority.

By: dukeofflatbush Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:48:25 +0000 @ jimmy vac

I agree 100%.
Eddie Murray, whom hit 500 HR, always talked about having 3 swings, depending on the situation. Count, Inning, Score, all mattered to Eddie. He only had his rookie season go above 100 SO. Although he never came out and said it, I bet he could of had 100 more HRs if he just had that one swing, albeit with a lower average and more Ks.

By: jimmy vac Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:55:27 +0000 This shows the modern attitude to strikeouts.. years ago, guys with two strikes would hit the ball where it is pitched or even shorten their swing..
As a Met fan, I would be amazed how Mattingly would start the season slow
but still knock in his share of runs... Pujols is about the only one that would be on the list..
Amazing with the swing Ruth took, he never struck out 100 times in a season and his 1300 odd strikeouts pale to Jackson's 2700 ....

By: dukeofflatbush Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:43:16 +0000 BTW
Where has Mr. Twisto been hiding?

By: dukeofflatbush Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:40:37 +0000 I dunno Andy.
I was away for a while, lost my mother in law.
but I always appreciate it when you do, and think you can always formulate it into a discussable piece of info, but I don't remember reading it.
Thanx though, here's a new one for you:
Mark Grud... lezenik had 30 hits last year, no xtra base hits. Liveball record.