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	<title>Comments on: Most game starts with no PAs</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ddipaolo</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4621</link>
		<dc:creator>ddipaolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statboy:  you are missing something, the Games Started criterion was the one stated and not Games

But yes, for just using Games, Groom is indeed the all time leader at 786.  Flanagan only comes in at #5 on that list, and there are some cool near-misses there as well.

#	last		first	G	GS	W	L	PA	AB
1	Groom		Buddy	786	15	31	32	0	0
3	Stanley		Bob	637	85	115	97	0	0
2	Fetters		Mike	620	6	31	41	0	0
4	Martinez	Tippy	546	2	55	42	0	0
5	Flanagan	Mike	526	404	167	143	0	0

Near-misses:
Roberto Hernandez (1010 G, 2 PA)
Jose Mesa (1006 G, 4 PA, 2 AB)
Tom Gordon (853 G, 203 GS, 2 PA)
Bob Wickman (835 G, 2 PA)
Eddie Guardado (796 G, 1 PA)
Mariano Rivera (787 G, 1 PA)

All the stats are as of 2007 season-end, courtesy Lahman DB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statboy:  you are missing something, the Games Started criterion was the one stated and not Games</p>
<p>But yes, for just using Games, Groom is indeed the all time leader at 786.  Flanagan only comes in at #5 on that list, and there are some cool near-misses there as well.</p>
<p>#	last		first	G	GS	W	L	PA	AB<br />
1	Groom		Buddy	786	15	31	32	0	0<br />
3	Stanley		Bob	637	85	115	97	0	0<br />
2	Fetters		Mike	620	6	31	41	0	0<br />
4	Martinez	Tippy	546	2	55	42	0	0<br />
5	Flanagan	Mike	526	404	167	143	0	0</p>
<p>Near-misses:<br />
Roberto Hernandez (1010 G, 2 PA)<br />
Jose Mesa (1006 G, 4 PA, 2 AB)<br />
Tom Gordon (853 G, 203 GS, 2 PA)<br />
Bob Wickman (835 G, 2 PA)<br />
Eddie Guardado (796 G, 1 PA)<br />
Mariano Rivera (787 G, 1 PA)</p>
<p>All the stats are as of 2007 season-end, courtesy Lahman DB.</p>
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		<title>By: statboy</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4617</link>
		<dc:creator>statboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I missing something? Searching for the most games without any career PAs is easy, no?...

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/4dkT
Buddy Groom is the all-time leader with 786 games, and 0 PAs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing something? Searching for the most games without any career PAs is easy, no?&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/4dkT" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/4dkT</a><br />
Buddy Groom is the all-time leader with 786 games, and 0 PAs.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Twisto</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4614</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Twisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"it’s possible that relievers prior to 1973 could go without PAs."

Relievers usually pitched longer stints in those days, so it's probable that any with a substantial career had at least several AB.  For instance, look at how many AB Hoyt Wilhelm had, even in the seasons when he was strictly a reliever. (Maybe his managers were all waiting for the return of that 1st AB homerun swing...) 


"and speaking of morris i’m confused by his page. how did he have 7 dh appearances? also, am i reading correctly the batting section.. where in 1983 he made 7 appearances as a pinch runner.. or something other then batter?"

Those DH appearance are when he pinch ran for the DH.  He did it quite a bit apparently.  Creative use of the roster...what a concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s possible that relievers prior to 1973 could go without PAs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Relievers usually pitched longer stints in those days, so it&#8217;s probable that any with a substantial career had at least several AB.  For instance, look at how many AB Hoyt Wilhelm had, even in the seasons when he was strictly a reliever. (Maybe his managers were all waiting for the return of that 1st AB homerun swing&#8230;) </p>
<p>&#8220;and speaking of morris i’m confused by his page. how did he have 7 dh appearances? also, am i reading correctly the batting section.. where in 1983 he made 7 appearances as a pinch runner.. or something other then batter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Those DH appearance are when he pinch ran for the DH.  He did it quite a bit apparently.  Creative use of the roster&#8230;what a concept.</p>
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		<title>By: damthesehigheels</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4612</link>
		<dc:creator>damthesehigheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>off topic:

and speaking of morris i'm confused by his page.  how did he have 7 dh appearances?  also, am i reading correctly the batting section.. where in 1983 he made 7 appearances as a pinch runner.. or something other then batter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off topic:</p>
<p>and speaking of morris i&#8217;m confused by his page.  how did he have 7 dh appearances?  also, am i reading correctly the batting section.. where in 1983 he made 7 appearances as a pinch runner.. or something other then batter?</p>
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		<title>By: damthesehigheels</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4611</link>
		<dc:creator>damthesehigheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm sure many of these other guys could have the following argument too but Tom Gordon's two pa's came well after his starting days were over... so he would have managed to stay on the first list for awhile...

it's kinda a shame when you think about it... did morris' one ab have any effect at all?  hahah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sure many of these other guys could have the following argument too but Tom Gordon&#8217;s two pa&#8217;s came well after his starting days were over&#8230; so he would have managed to stay on the first list for awhile&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s kinda a shame when you think about it&#8230; did morris&#8217; one ab have any effect at all?  hahah</p>
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		<title>By: ddipaolo</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4608</link>
		<dc:creator>ddipaolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, after grabbing the Lahman database and doing some searching of my own I found the following:

#	Last		First	GS	W	L	PA	AB
1	Flanagan	Mike	404	167	143	0	0
2	Gubicza		Mark	329	132	136	0	0
3	Guidry		Ron	323	170	91	0	0
4	Boddicker	Mike	309	134	116	0	0
5	McGregor	Scott	309	138	108	0	0
6	Leonard		Dennis	302	144	106	0	0
7	Witt		Mike	299	117	116	0	0
8	Dotson		Richard	295	111	113	0	0
9	McDowell	Jack	275	127	87	0	0
10	Haas		Moose	252	100	83	0	0
11	Bosio		Chris	246	94	93	0	0
12	McCaskill	Kirk	242	106	108	0	0
13	Wegman		Bill	216	81	90	0	0
14	Abbott		Glenn	206	62	83	0	0
15	Higuera		Teddy	205	94	64	0	0
16	Smithson	Mike	204	76	86	0	0
17	Perez		Melido	201	78	85	0	0
18	Beattie		Jim	182	52	87	0	0
19	Figueroa	Ed	179	80	67	0	0
20	Burns		Britt	161	70	60	0	0

Brad Radke isn't next!  He has a ton of plate appearances!

The other near misses:
Jack Morris (527 GS, 1 AB)
Mike Moore (440 GS, 1 AB)
Dave Stieb (412 GS, 2 AB)
Jimmy Key (389 GS, 3 PA, 2 AB)
Tom Gordon (203 GS, 2 AB)
Ben McDonald (198 GS, 1 AB)
Rick Waits (190 GS, 1 AB)
Bill Travers (168 GS, 1 PA, 0 AB)
Matt Young (163 GS, 3 AB)
Curt Young (162 GS, 1 AB)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, after grabbing the Lahman database and doing some searching of my own I found the following:</p>
<p>#	Last		First	GS	W	L	PA	AB<br />
1	Flanagan	Mike	404	167	143	0	0<br />
2	Gubicza		Mark	329	132	136	0	0<br />
3	Guidry		Ron	323	170	91	0	0<br />
4	Boddicker	Mike	309	134	116	0	0<br />
5	McGregor	Scott	309	138	108	0	0<br />
6	Leonard		Dennis	302	144	106	0	0<br />
7	Witt		Mike	299	117	116	0	0<br />
8	Dotson		Richard	295	111	113	0	0<br />
9	McDowell	Jack	275	127	87	0	0<br />
10	Haas		Moose	252	100	83	0	0<br />
11	Bosio		Chris	246	94	93	0	0<br />
12	McCaskill	Kirk	242	106	108	0	0<br />
13	Wegman		Bill	216	81	90	0	0<br />
14	Abbott		Glenn	206	62	83	0	0<br />
15	Higuera		Teddy	205	94	64	0	0<br />
16	Smithson	Mike	204	76	86	0	0<br />
17	Perez		Melido	201	78	85	0	0<br />
18	Beattie		Jim	182	52	87	0	0<br />
19	Figueroa	Ed	179	80	67	0	0<br />
20	Burns		Britt	161	70	60	0	0</p>
<p>Brad Radke isn&#8217;t next!  He has a ton of plate appearances!</p>
<p>The other near misses:<br />
Jack Morris (527 GS, 1 AB)<br />
Mike Moore (440 GS, 1 AB)<br />
Dave Stieb (412 GS, 2 AB)<br />
Jimmy Key (389 GS, 3 PA, 2 AB)<br />
Tom Gordon (203 GS, 2 AB)<br />
Ben McDonald (198 GS, 1 AB)<br />
Rick Waits (190 GS, 1 AB)<br />
Bill Travers (168 GS, 1 PA, 0 AB)<br />
Matt Young (163 GS, 3 AB)<br />
Curt Young (162 GS, 1 AB)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/658#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Brad Radke is next at 377.

this list, limiting to just AL starts, is helpful too:

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/mk5x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Brad Radke is next at 377.</p>
<p>this list, limiting to just AL starts, is helpful too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/mk5x" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/mk5x</a></p>
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