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Sloppy Thurston

Hollis John Thurston

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: June 2, 1899 in Fremont, NE
High School: Polytechnic HS (Los Angeles, CA) (All Transactions)
Debut: April 19, 1923
Teams (by GP): WhiteSox/Dodgers/Robins/Senators/Browns 1923-1933

Final Game: October 1, 1933
Died: September 14, 1973 in Los Angeles, CA
Buried: Holy Cross Cemetery & Mausoleum, Culver City, CA
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Fine Details  · Last updated Dec 14, 2012 3:17AM
All-Time Rank (among pitchers): #953. Hardie Henderson… #954. Ray Benge… #955. Justin Thompson… #956. SLOPPY THURSTON… #957. Vern Ruhle… #958. Matt Thornton… #959. Jack Russell… 

Standard Pitching

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Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
1923 24 TOT AL 7 8 .467 3.13 46 13 30 8 0 4 195.2 231 74 68 11 38 55 1 0 0 818 127 1.375 10.6 0.5 1.7 2.5 1.45
1923 24 SLB AL 0 0 6.75 2 1 1 0 0 0 4.0 8 4 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 23 68 2.500 18.0 0.0 4.5 0.0 0.00
1923 24 CHW AL 7 8 .467 3.05 44 12 29 8 0 4 191.2 223 70 65 11 36 55 1 0 0 795 129 1.351 10.5 0.5 1.7 2.6 1.53
1924 25 CHW AL 20 14 .588 3.80 38 36 2 28 1 1 291.0 330 150 123 17 60 37 6 0 5 1237 108 1.340 10.2 0.5 1.9 1.1 0.62
1925 26 CHW AL 10 14 .417 5.95 36 25 6 9 0 1 183.0 250 140 121 14 47 35 5 0 4 824 70 1.623 12.3 0.7 2.3 1.7 0.74
1926 27 CHW AL 6 8 .429 5.02 31 13 15 6 1 3 134.1 164 85 75 10 36 35 1 1 1 592 77 1.489 11.0 0.7 2.4 2.3 0.97
1927 28 WSH AL 13 13 .500 4.47 29 28 1 13 2 0 205.1 254 118 102 16 60 38 2 1 1 914 91 1.529 11.1 0.7 2.6 1.7 0.63
1930 31 BRO NL 6 4 .600 3.40 24 11 10 5 2 1 106.0 110 46 40 4 17 26 0 0 1 437 145 1.198 9.3 0.3 1.4 2.2 1.53
1931 32 BRO NL 9 9 .500 3.97 24 17 6 11 0 0 143.0 175 72 63 3 39 23 1 0 2 633 97 1.497 11.0 0.2 2.5 1.4 0.59
1932 33 BRO NL 12 8 .600 4.06 28 19 5 10 2 0 153.0 174 81 69 14 38 35 1 0 0 652 94 1.386 10.2 0.8 2.2 2.1 0.92
1933 34 BRO NL 6 8 .429 4.52 32 15 14 5 0 3 131.1 171 70 66 4 34 22 6 0 5 591 71 1.561 11.7 0.3 2.3 1.5 0.65
9 Yrs 89 86 .509 4.24 288 177 89 95 8 13 1542.2 1859 836 727 93 369 306 23 2 19 6698 94 1.444 10.8 0.5 2.2 1.8 0.83
162 Game Avg. 13 13 .509 4.24 42 26 13 14 1 2 226 272 122 106 14 54 45 3 0 3 979 94 1.444 10.8 0.5 2.2 1.8 0.83
BRO (4 yrs) 33 29 .532 4.02 108 62 35 31 4 4 533.1 630 269 238 25 128 106 8 0 8 2313 97 1.421 10.6 0.4 2.2 1.8 0.83
CHW (4 yrs) 43 44 .494 4.32 149 86 52 51 2 9 800.0 967 445 384 52 179 162 13 1 10 3448 93 1.433 10.9 0.6 2.0 1.8 0.91
WSH (1 yr) 13 13 .500 4.47 29 28 1 13 2 0 205.1 254 118 102 16 60 38 2 1 1 914 91 1.529 11.1 0.7 2.6 1.7 0.63
SLB (1 yr) 0 0 6.75 2 1 1 0 0 0 4.0 8 4 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 23 68 2.500 18.0 0.0 4.5 0.0 0.00
AL (5 yrs) 56 57 .496 4.36 180 115 54 64 4 9 1009.1 1229 567 489 68 241 200 15 2 11 4385 93 1.456 11.0 0.6 2.1 1.8 0.83
NL (4 yrs) 33 29 .532 4.02 108 62 35 31 4 4 533.1 630 269 238 25 128 106 8 0 8 2313 97 1.421 10.6 0.4 2.2 1.8 0.83

Player Value--Pitchers

WAR Explained (v2.1): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg IP G GS R RA9 RA9opp RA9def RA9role PPFp RA9avg RAA WAA gmLI WAAadj WAR RAR waaWL% 162WL% Salary Awards
1923 24 SLB AL 4.0 2 1 4 9.00 5.04 0.04 0.00 110.0 5.50 -2 -0.1 1.0 -0.0 -0.1 -1 .427 .499 $
1923 24 CHW AL 191.2 44 12 70 3.29 4.84 0.06 0.00 99.2 4.75 31 3.2 1.0 -0.1 4.8 53 .574 .520 $
1924 25 CHW AL 292.0 38 36 150 4.62 5.03 -0.29 0.00 97.8 5.21 16 1.6 1.0 -0.2 3.9 53 .542 .510 $
1925 26 CHW AL 182.1 36 25 140 6.91 5.36 0.08 0.00 95.5 5.05 -38 -3.3 1.0 -0.1 -1.8 -15 .408 .480 $
1926 27 CHW AL 134.1 31 13 85 5.69 5.00 0.15 0.00 95.2 4.62 -16 -1.5 1.0 -0.1 -0.4 -1 .450 .490 $
1927 28 WSH AL 205.1 29 28 118 5.17 4.96 0.13 0.00 98.2 4.75 -10 -1.0 1.0 -0.1 0.7 14 .467 .494 $
1930 31 BRO NL 106.0 24 11 46 3.91 5.66 0.40 0.00 99.0 5.21 16 1.4 1.0 -0.0 2.2 28 .559 .509 $
1931 32 BRO NL 143.0 24 17 72 4.53 4.34 -0.18 0.00 98.1 4.43 -1 -0.1 1.0 -0.1 0.9 12 .495 .499 $
1932 33 BRO NL 153.0 28 19 81 4.76 4.44 0.07 0.00 98.4 4.30 -8 -0.8 1.0 -0.1 0.3 7 .472 .495 $
1933 34 BRO NL 131.1 32 15 70 4.80 3.99 -0.39 0.00 96.9 4.25 -8 -0.8 1.0 -0.1 0.2 3 .474 .495 $
9 Seasons 1543.0 288 177 836 4.88 4.87 -0.02 0.00 97.7 4.78 -20 -1.5 1.0 -0.7 10.7 153 .495 .499 $
BRO (4 yrs) 533.1 108 62 269 4.54 4.54 -0.05 0.00 98.1 4.50 -1 -0.3 1.0 -0.2 3.6 50 .497 .499 $
CHW (4 yrs) 800.1 149 86 445 5.00 5.06 -0.05 0.00 97.2 4.96 -7 -0.0 1.0 -0.4 6.5 89 .500 .500 $
WSH (1 yr) 205.1 29 28 118 5.17 4.96 0.13 0.00 98.2 4.75 -10 -1.0 1.0 -0.1 0.7 14 .467 .494 $
SLB (1 yr) 4.0 2 1 4 9.00 5.04 0.04 0.00 110.0 5.50 -2 -0.1 1.0 -0.0 -0.1 -1 .427 .499 $

Standard Batting

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1923 24 TOT AL 47 83 79 10 25 5 1 0 4 0 0 2 6 .316 .333 .405 .738 95 32 0 1 1
1923 24 SLB AL 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 /1
1923 24 CHW AL 45 83 79 10 25 5 1 0 4 0 0 2 6 .316 .333 .405 .738 95 32 0 1 1
1924 25 CHW AL 51 133 122 15 31 6 3 1 9 0 0 5 14 .254 .289 .377 .666 73 46 1 5 1/O9
1925 26 CHW AL 44 92 84 2 24 7 2 0 13 0 0 5 13 .286 .326 .417 .743 91 35 0 3 1
1926 27 CHW AL 38 66 61 5 19 4 0 0 5 0 1 3 6 .311 .354 .377 .731 93 23 1 1 1
1927 28 WSH AL 42 101 92 11 29 4 2 2 17 1 0 5 10 .315 .351 .467 .818 112 43 0 4 1
1930 31 BRO NL 36 55 50 3 10 3 0 1 11 0 0 16 .200 .216 .320 .536 27 16 1 4 1
1931 32 BRO NL 24 64 60 8 13 2 1 1 8 0 2 10 .217 .242 .333 .575 53 20 0 2 1
1932 33 BRO NL 29 60 56 7 17 5 1 0 5 0 2 9 .304 .328 .429 .756 103 24 0 2 1
1933 34 BRO NL 32 45 44 4 7 2 0 0 7 0 0 7 .159 .159 .205 .364 5 9 1 0 1 1
9 Yrs 343 699 648 65 175 38 10 5 79 1 1 24 91 .270 .299 .383 .682 79 248 1 3 23
162 Game Avg. 162 330 306 31 83 18 5 2 37 0 11 43 .270 .299 .383 .682 79 117 1 11
BRO (4 yrs) 121 224 210 22 47 12 2 2 31 0 4 42 .224 .242 .329 .570 50 69 1 1 9
CHW (4 yrs) 178 374 346 32 99 22 6 1 31 0 1 15 39 .286 .320 .393 .713 86 136 2 10
WSH (1 yr) 42 101 92 11 29 4 2 2 17 1 0 5 10 .315 .351 .467 .818 112 43 0 4
SLB (1 yr) 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
AL (5 yrs) 222 475 438 43 128 26 8 3 48 1 1 20 49 .292 .326 .409 .735 92 179 2 14
NL (4 yrs) 121 224 210 22 47 12 2 2 31 0 4 42 .224 .242 .329 .570 50 69 1 1 9

Player Value--Batters

WAR Explained (v2.1): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
1923 24 SLB AL 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 .500 .500 0.0 0.0 0 $ /1
1923 24 CHW AL 45 83 -1 0 0 0 8 7 0.7 3 10 0.7 .516 .504 0.7 -0.0 10 $ 1
1924 25 CHW AL 51 133 -6 0 0 0 12 6 0.6 4 10 0.6 .511 .504 0.6 0.0 10 $ 1/O9
1925 26 CHW AL 44 92 -2 0 0 0 10 8 0.7 3 11 0.7 .516 .504 0.7 0.0 11 $ 1
1926 27 CHW AL 38 66 -1 -0 0 0 6 6 0.6 2 8 0.6 .515 .503 0.6 0.0 8 $ 1
1927 28 WSH AL 42 101 1 0 0 0 10 11 1.1 3 15 1.1 .526 .507 1.1 0.0 15 $ 1
1930 31 BRO NL 36 55 -7 0 0 0 6 -2 -0.1 2 0 -0.1 .496 .499 -0.1 0.0 0 $ 1
1931 32 BRO NL 24 64 -4 0 0 0 7 2 0.2 2 4 0.2 .511 .502 0.3 -0.0 4 $ 1
1932 33 BRO NL 29 60 0 0 0 0 6 6 0.6 2 8 0.6 .523 .504 0.7 0.0 8 $ 1
1933 34 BRO NL 32 45 -5 0 0 0 4 -1 -0.1 1 1 -0.1 .498 .500 -0.1 -0.0 1 $ 1
9 Seasons 343 699 -25 1 0 0 69 45 4.3 21 66 4.3 .513 .503 4.5 -0.0 66 $
BRO (4 yrs) 121 224 -17 0 0 0 23 7 0.7 6 13 0.6 .506 .501 0.8 -0.0 13 $
CHW (4 yrs) 178 374 -9 0 0 0 36 27 2.6 12 38 2.6 .514 .504 2.6 0.0 38 $
WSH (1 yr) 42 101 1 0 0 0 10 11 1.1 3 15 1.1 .526 .507 1.1 0.0 15 $
SLB (1 yr) 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 .500 .500 0.0 0.0 0 $

Standard Fielding

More Stats

Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG Awards
1923 TOT AL 24 P 46 13 8 195.2 58 6 50 2 2 .966 2.58 1.22 .959 2.72 2.70
1923 SLB AL 24 P 2 1 0 4.0 2 0 1 1 0 .500 2.25 0.50 .960 2.70 2.70
1923 CHW AL 24 P 44 12 8 191.2 56 6 49 1 2 .982 2.58 1.25 .959 2.72 2.70
1924 CHW AL 25 P 38 36 28 291.0 93 15 75 3 1 .968 2.78 2.37 .959 2.53 2.49
1924 CHW AL 25 OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.40
1924 CHW AL 25 RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.00
1925 CHW AL 26 P 36 25 8 183.0 72 15 55 2 4 .972 3.44 1.94 .960 2.66 2.64
1926 CHW AL 27 P 31 13 6 134.1 35 4 30 1 1 .971 2.28 1.10 .957 2.66 2.63
1927 WSH AL 28 P 29 28 13 205.1 62 12 46 4 4 .935 2.54 2.00 .959 2.62 2.59
1930 BRO NL 31 P 24 11 5 106.0 33 3 30 0 1 1.000 2.80 1.38 .964 2.21 2.18
1931 BRO NL 32 P 24 17 11 143.0 35 3 30 2 3 .943 2.08 1.38 .959 2.22 2.19
1932 BRO NL 33 P 28 20 10 153.0 44 10 34 0 2 1.000 2.59 1.57 .957 2.29 2.29
1933 BRO NL 34 P 32 15 5 131.1 44 3 40 1 0 .977 2.95 1.34 .964 2.36 2.33
9 Seasons P 288 178 94 1542.2 476 71 390 15 18 .968 2.69 1.60 .960 2.50 2.48
1 Season RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.00
1 Season OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.40
9 Seasons TOT 289 178 94 1542.2 476 71 390 15 18 .968 2.69 1.60 .960 2.50 2.48
Note: Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1948 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1948 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1948 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1918 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1948 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1918) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
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Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Wins Above Replacement† s c a p y
1923 AL  5.5 (9th)

WAR for Pitchers† s c a p y
1923 AL  4.7 (7th)

Earned Run Average s c a p y
1923 AL  3.13 (6th)

Wins s c a p y
1924 AL  20 (3rd)

Win-Loss % s c a p y
1924 AL  .588 (10th)
1932 NL  .600 (9th)

Bases On Balls per 9 IP s c a p y
1923 AL  1.748 (3rd)
1924 AL  1.856 (2nd)
1925 AL  2.312 (6th)
Career  2.153 (140th)

Games Played s c a p y
1923 AL  46 (7th)

Saves s c a p y
1923 AL  4 (8th)
1926 AL  3 (7th)

Innings Pitched s c a p y
1924 AL  291.0 (2nd)

Games Started s c a p y
1924 AL  36 (2nd)

Complete Games s c a p y
1924 AL  28 (1st)

Shutouts s c a p y
1927 AL  2 (10th)
1930 NL  2 (5th)
1932 NL  2 (7th)

Home Runs s c a p y
1923 AL  11 (9th)
1924 AL  17 (1st)
1925 AL  14 (4th)
1927 AL  16 (3rd)

Hits s c a p y
1924 AL  330 (1st)
1927 AL  254 (9th)

Strikeouts / Base On Balls s c a p y
1923 AL  1.447 (5th)

Losses s c a p y
1924 AL  14 (8th)
1925 AL  14 (7th)

Earned Runs s c a p y
1924 AL  123 (1st)
1925 AL  121 (4th)
1927 AL  102 (9th)

Wild Pitches s c a p y
1924 AL  5 (3rd)
1933 NL  5 (10th)

Hit By Pitch s c a p y
1933 NL  6 (6th)

Batters Faced s c a p y
1924 AL  1,237 (2nd)

Games Finished s c a p y
1923 AL  30 (1st)

Adjusted ERA+ s c a p y
1923 AL  127 (4th)

Adj. Pitching Runs s c a p y
1923 AL  22 (7th)
1930 NL  19 (8th)

Adj. Pitching Wins s c a p y
1923 AL  2.2 (7th)
1930 NL  1.7 (8th)

Assists as P s c a p y
1924 AL  75 (3rd)

Range Factor/Game as P s c a p y
1924 AL  2.37 (3rd)

Fielding % as P s c a p y
1932 NL  1.000 (1st)

             

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Black InkPitching - 2 (742), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray InkPitching - 36 (683), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame MonitorPitching - 6 (1214), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsPitching - 6 (1261), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Starting Pitcher (570th), 15.0 career WAR/16.1 7yr-peak WAR/15.5 JAWS
Average HOF P (out of 58) = 67.9 career WAR/47.7 7yr-peak WAR/57.8 JAWS

Similarity Scores

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