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Jake Thielman

John Peter Thielman

Positions: Pitcher and Rightfielder
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 175 lb.

Born: May 20, 1879 in St. Cloud, MN
School: Manhattan College (All Transactions)
Debut: April 23, 1905
Teams (by GP): Cardinals/Naps/RedSox 1905-1908

Final Game: August 9, 1908
Died: January 28, 1928 in Minneapolis, MN
Buried: Calvary Cemetery, St. Cloud, MN
Relatives: Brother of Henry Thielman
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All-Time Rank (among Pitchers): #1. Walter Johnson… #2. Cy Young… #3. Greg Maddux… #4. Christy Mathewson… #5. Pete Alexander… #6. Tom Seaver… #7. Randy Johnson… 

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Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
1905 26 STL NL 15 16 .484 3.50 32 29 3 26 0 0 242.0 265 138 94 4 62 87 12 1 6 1018 85 1.351 9.9 0.1 2.3 3.2 1.40
1906 27 STL NL 0 1 .000 3.60 1 1 0 0 0 0 5.0 5 6 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 21 81 1.400 9.0 0.0 3.6 0.0 0.00
1907 28 CLE AL 11 8 .579 2.33 20 18 1 18 3 0 166.0 151 60 43 2 34 56 7 0 7 658 108 1.114 8.2 0.1 1.8 3.0 1.65
1908 29 TOT AL 4 3 .571 4.04 12 8 3 5 0 0 62.1 62 30 28 3 9 15 4 1 0 245 60 1.139 9.0 0.4 1.3 2.2 1.67
1908 29 CLE AL 4 3 .571 3.65 11 8 2 5 0 0 61.2 59 26 25 2 9 15 4 1 0 240 66 1.103 8.6 0.3 1.3 2.2 1.67
1908 29 BOS AL 0 0 40.50 1 0 1 0 0 0 0.2 3 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 4.500 40.5 13.5 0.0 0.0
4 Seasons 30 28 .517 3.16 65 56 7 49 3 0 475.1 483 234 167 9 107 158 23 2 13 1942 87 1.241 9.1 0.2 2.0 3.0 1.48
162 Game Avg. 17 16 .517 3.16 37 31 4 28 2 0 267 271 132 94 5 60 89 13 1 7 1091 87 1.241 9.1 0.2 2.0 3.0 1.48
STL (2 yrs) 15 17 .469 3.50 33 30 3 26 0 0 247.0 270 144 96 4 64 87 12 1 6 1039 85 1.352 9.8 0.1 2.3 3.2 1.36
CLE (2 yrs) 15 11 .577 2.69 31 26 3 23 3 0 227.2 210 86 68 4 43 71 11 1 7 898 93 1.111 8.3 0.2 1.7 2.8 1.65
BOS (1 yr) 0 0 40.50 1 0 1 0 0 0 0.2 3 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 4.500 40.5 13.5 0.0 0.0
AL (2 yrs) AL 15 11 .577 2.80 32 26 4 23 3 0 228.1 213 90 71 5 43 71 11 1 7 903 89 1.121 8.4 0.2 1.7 2.8 1.65
NL (2 yrs) NL 15 17 .469 3.50 33 30 3 26 0 0 247.0 270 144 96 4 64 87 12 1 6 1039 85 1.352 9.8 0.1 2.3 3.2 1.36

Player Value--Pitchers

WAR: 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Strtr, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl.
Year Age Tm Lg IP GS R Rrep Rdef aLI RAR WAR Salary Awards
1905 26 STL NL 242.0 29 138 126 -6 1.0 -12 -0.7 $
1906 27 STL NL 5.0 1 6 2 0 1.0 -4 -0.4 $
1907 28 CLE AL 166.0 18 60 77 4 1.0 17 1.4 $
1908 29 CLE AL 61.2 8 30 27 1 1.0 -3 -0.5 $
1908 29 BOS AL 0.2 0 4 0 0 1.0 -4 -0.4 $
4 Seasons 475.1 56 238 232 -1 1.0 -6 -0.6 $
STL (2 yrs) 247.0 30 144 128 -6 1.0 -16 -1.1 $
CLE (2 yrs) 227.2 26 90 104 5 1.0 14 0.9 $
BOS (1 yr) 0.2 0 4 0 0 1.0 -4 -0.4 $

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1905 26 STL NL 34 106 91 16 21 1 5 0 8 1 12 19 .231 .327 .352 .679 105 32 1 2 1/O
1906 27 STL NL 1 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1.000 217 1 0 0 /1
1907 28 CLE AL 21 67 59 7 12 2 0 0 3 2 4 10 .203 .254 .237 .491 56 14 0 4 1/O
1908 29 TOT AL 14 32 23 4 8 2 1 0 7 1 5 2 .348 .483 .522 1.004 225 12 1 3 1/O
1908 29 CLE AL 13 32 23 4 8 2 1 0 7 1 5 2 .348 .483 .522 1.004 225 12 1 3 1/O
1908 29 BOS AL 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 /1
4 Seasons 70 207 175 27 42 5 6 0 20 4 21 31 .240 .328 .337 .665 106 59 2 9
162 Game Avg. 162 479 405 62 97 12 14 0 46 9 49 72 .240 .328 .337 .665 106 137 5 21
STL (2 yrs) 35 108 93 16 22 1 5 0 10 1 12 19 .237 .330 .355 .685 107 33 1 2
CLE (2 yrs) 34 99 82 11 20 4 1 0 10 3 9 12 .244 .326 .317 .643 105 26 1 7
BOS (1 yr) 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
AL (2 yrs) 35 99 82 11 20 4 1 0 10 3 9 12 .244 .326 .317 .643 105 26 1 7
NL (2 yrs) 35 108 93 16 22 1 5 0 10 1 12 19 .237 .330 .355 .685 107 33 1 2

Player Value--Batters

WAR: 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Strtr, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl.
Year Age Tm Lg PA Rbat Rbaser Rroe Rdp Rfield Rpos Rrep RAR WAR oRAR oWAR dWAR Salary Pos Awards
1905 26 STL NL 106 -1 0 0 0 0 4 3 6 0.6 6 0.7 -0.1 $ 1/O
1906 27 STL NL 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 $ /1
1907 28 CLE AL 67 -3 0 0 0 0 2 2 1 0.1 1 0.1 0.0 $ 1/O
1908 29 CLE AL 32 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 6 0.7 6 0.6 0.1 $ 1/O
4 Seasons 207 0 0 0 0 0 7 6 13 1.4 13 1.4 0.0 $
STL (2 yrs) 108 -1 0 0 0 0 4 3 6 0.6 6 0.7 -0.1 $
CLE (2 yrs) 99 1 0 0 0 0 3 3 7 0.8 7 0.7 0.1 $

Standard Fielding

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Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1905 STL NL 26 P 32 242.0 96 9 84 3 3 .969 3.46 2.91 .943 2.97 2.93
1905 STL NL 26 OF 1 2 2 0 0 0 1.000 2.00 .955 2.00 0-0-1
1906 STL NL 27 P 1 5.0 3 0 2 1 0 .667 3.60 2.00 .947 3.06 3.00
1907 CLE AL 28 P 20 166.0 52 7 41 4 1 .923 2.60 2.40 .946 3.28 3.25
1907 CLE AL 28 OF 1 3 2 1 0 0 1.000 3.00 .960 1.80 1-0-0
1908 TOT AL 29 P 12 62.4 29 1 28 0 2 1.000 4.19 2.42 .946 3.19 3.19
1908 CLE AL 29 P 11 61.2 29 1 28 0 2 1.000 4.23 2.64 .946 3.20 3.19
1908 CLE AL 29 OF 2 4 2 0 2 0 .500 1.00 .955 1.85 0-0-2
1908 BOS AL 29 P 1 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 2.70 3.20
4 Seasons P 65 475.1 180 17 155 8 6 .956 3.26 2.65 .944 3.11 3.08
3 Seasons OF 4 9 6 1 2 0 .778 1.75 .957 1.88 1-0-3
4 Seasons TOT 69 475.1 189 23 156 10 6 .947 3.26 2.59 .945 3.11 3.01 1-0-3
Note: Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1950 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1950 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1950 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1919 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1950 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1919) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
  • For detailed information on which games retrosheet is missing play-by-play from 1950 to 1973, please see their most wanted games list
  • For detailed information on the availability of data on this site by year, see our data coverage page

Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Bases On Balls per 9 IP s c a p y
1907 AL  1.843 (8th)

Home Runs s c a p y
1908 AL  3 (7th)

Wild Pitches s c a p y
1907 AL  7 (8th)

Fielding % as P s c a p y
1905 NL  .969 (5th)

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Gray InkPitching - 2 (2433), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame MonitorPitching - 3 (1554), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

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