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Joe Start

Joseph Start (Old Reliable or Rocks)

Position: First Baseman
Bats: Left, Throws: Left
Height: 5' 9", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: October 14, 1842 in New York, NY (All Transactions)
Debut: May 18, 1871
Teams (by GP): Grays/Mutuals/WhiteStockings/HartfordsofBrooklyn/Nationals 1871-1886

Final Game: July 9, 1886
Died: March 27, 1927 in Providence, RI
Buried: Riverside Cemetery, Pawtucket, RI
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Fine Details  · Last updated Dec 14, 2012 3:17AM
All-Time Rank (among batters): #920. George Case… #921. Dave Martinez… #922. Johnny Bates… #923. JOE START… #924. Jerry Denny… #925. Steve Kemp… #926. Giancarlo Stanton… 

Standard Batting

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Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1871 28 NYU NA 33 164 161 35 58 5 1 1 34 4 2 3 0 .360 .372 .422 .794 136 68 0 0 *3
1872 29 NYU NA 54 277 277 60 75 5 0 0 48 3 3 0 0 .271 .271 .289 .560 79 80 0 0 *3
1873 30 NYU NA 53 256 252 42 67 8 3 1 29 1 0 4 0 .266 .277 .333 .611 81 84 1 0 *3/O
1874 31 NYU NA 63 310 306 67 96 13 3 2 46 5 0 4 0 .314 .323 .395 .718 127 121 1 0 *3/O
1875 32 NYU NA 69 317 314 58 90 10 5 4 30 1 4 3 0 .287 .293 .389 .682 134 122 0 0 *3
1876 33 NYU NL 56 265 264 40 73 6 0 0 21 1 2 .277 .279 .299 .578 98 79 0 *3
1877 34 HAR NL 60 277 271 55 90 3 6 1 21 6 2 .332 .347 .399 .745 145 108 0 *3
1878 35 CHC NL 61 287 285 58 100 12 5 1 27 2 3 .351 .355 .439 .794 152 125 0 *3
1879 36 PRO NL 66 324 317 70 101 11 5 2 37 7 4 .319 .333 .404 .737 141 128 0 *3/O
1880 37 PRO NL 82 358 345 53 96 14 6 0 27 13 20 .278 .304 .354 .658 126 122 0 *3
1881 38 PRO NL 79 357 348 56 114 12 6 0 29 9 7 .328 .345 .397 .741 133 138 0 *3
1882 39 PRO NL 82 367 356 58 117 8 10 0 48 11 7 .329 .349 .407 .756 142 145 0 *3
1883 40 PRO NL 87 392 370 63 105 16 7 1 57 22 16 .284 .324 .373 .697 108 138 0 *3
1884 41 PRO NL 93 416 381 80 105 10 5 2 32 35 25 .276 .337 .344 .680 117 131 0 *3
1885 42 PRO NL 101 413 374 47 103 11 4 0 41 39 10 .275 .344 .326 .670 121 122 0 *3
1886 43 WHS NL 31 127 122 10 27 4 1 0 17 4 5 13 .221 .252 .270 .522 64 33 0 3
16 Yrs 1070 4907 4743 852 1417 148 67 15 544 18 9 164 109 .299 .322 .368 .690 121 1744 2 0
162 Game Avg. 162 743 718 129 215 22 10 2 82 25 17 .299 .322 .368 .690 121 264 0
PRO (7 yrs) 590 2627 2491 427 741 82 43 5 271 136 89 .297 .334 .371 .705 126 924 0
NYU (5 yrs) 272 1324 1310 262 386 41 12 8 187 14 9 14 0 .295 .302 .363 .665 110 475 2 0
WHS (1 yr) 31 127 122 10 27 4 1 0 17 4 5 13 .221 .252 .270 .522 64 33 0
CHC (1 yr) 61 287 285 58 100 12 5 1 27 2 3 .351 .355 .439 .794 152 125 0
NYU (1 yr) 56 265 264 40 73 6 0 0 21 1 2 .277 .279 .299 .578 98 79 0
HAR (1 yr) 60 277 271 55 90 3 6 1 21 6 2 .332 .347 .399 .745 145 108 0
NL (11 yrs) 798 3583 3433 590 1031 107 55 7 357 4 150 109 .300 .330 .370 .699 125 1269 0
NA (5 yrs) 272 1324 1310 262 386 41 12 8 187 14 9 14 0 .295 .302 .363 .665 110 475 2 0

Player Value--Batters

WAR Explained (v2.1): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
1871 28 NYU NA 33 164 13 -1 0 -1 0 12 0.6 4 15 1.1 .520 .504 1.2 -0.1 16 $ *3
1872 29 NYU NA 54 277 -3 -1 0 -1 0 -5 -0.4 11 6 0.9 .494 .498 1.0 -0.1 7 $ *3
1873 30 NYU NA 53 256 -6 1 0 4 -0 -1 -0.1 9 8 0.9 .499 .500 0.7 0.2 4 $ *3/O
1874 31 NYU NA 63 310 11 1 0 5 -0 17 1.2 10 27 2.3 .520 .508 2.0 0.3 22 $ *3/O
1875 32 NYU NA 69 317 12 -1 0 1 0 11 0.9 14 26 2.4 .514 .506 2.4 0.1 25 $ *3
1876 33 NYU NL 56 265 2 0 0 -3 0 -1 -0.2 8 7 0.7 .498 .499 1.0 -0.3 10 $ *3
1877 34 HAR NL 60 277 16 0 0 2 0 18 1.6 8 26 2.5 .528 .510 2.3 0.2 24 $ *3
1878 35 CHC NL 61 287 16 0 0 -1 0 16 1.4 8 24 2.3 .525 .509 2.4 -0.1 25 $ *3
1879 36 PRO NL 66 324 16 0 0 4 -0 20 1.8 10 30 2.9 .528 .512 2.5 0.3 26 $ *3/O
1880 37 PRO NL 82 358 10 0 0 4 0 14 1.4 11 25 2.5 .518 .509 2.2 0.4 21 $ *3
1881 38 PRO NL 79 357 15 0 0 0 0 15 1.3 11 25 2.5 .518 .509 2.5 -0.0 25 $1,300 *3
1882 39 PRO NL 82 367 19 0 0 13 0 32 2.8 11 42 4.0 .536 .518 2.8 1.1 30 $ *3
1883 40 PRO NL 87 392 7 0 0 2 0 9 0.6 12 20 1.8 .509 .505 1.8 0.1 18 $ *3
1884 41 PRO NL 93 416 12 0 0 8 0 20 1.7 13 33 3.0 .520 .512 2.4 0.6 25 $ *3
1885 42 PRO NL 101 413 14 0 0 1 0 15 1.3 12 28 2.6 .514 .509 2.6 0.0 26 $ *3
1886 43 WHS NL 31 127 -4 -0 0 -1 0 -6 -0.6 4 -2 -0.2 .483 .497 0.0 -0.1 -1 $ 3
16 Seasons 1070 4907 151 -1 0 37 -0 186 15.4 154 341 32.2 .516 .506 29.8 2.8 304 $1,300
PRO (7 yrs) 590 2627 93 0 0 32 -0 125 10.8 79 204 19.3 .520 .510 16.8 2.7 172 $1,300
NYU (5 yrs) 272 1324 28 -1 0 8 -0 34 2.3 47 82 7.6 .509 .503 7.3 0.5 74 $
WHS (1 yr) 31 127 -4 -0 0 -1 0 -6 -0.6 4 -2 -0.2 .483 .497 0.0 -0.1 -1 $
CHC (1 yr) 61 287 16 0 0 -1 0 16 1.4 8 24 2.3 .525 .509 2.4 -0.1 25 $
NYU (1 yr) 56 265 2 0 0 -3 0 -1 -0.2 8 7 0.7 .498 .499 1.0 -0.3 10 $
HAR (1 yr) 60 277 16 0 0 2 0 18 1.6 8 26 2.5 .528 .510 2.3 0.2 24 $

Postseason Batting

Year Age Tm Lg Series Opp Rslt G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
1884 41 PRO NL WS NYP W 0 10 10 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 .100 .100 .100 .200 1 0
1 WS 0 10 10 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 .100 .100 .100 .200 1 0

Standard Fielding

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Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1871 NYU NA 28 1B 33 365 334 2 29 11 .921 10.18 .929 10.41
1872 NYU NA 29 1B 54 519 497 0 22 26 .958 9.20 .930 10.42
1873 NYU NA 30 1B 53 457 413 18 26 20 .943 8.13 .925 10.77
1873 NYU NA 30 OF 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.00 0-0-2
1874 NYU NA 31 1B 63 596 560 13 23 13 .961 9.10 .932 10.52
1874 NYU NA 31 OF 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.00 1-1-0
1875 NYU NA 32 1B 69 753 702 12 39 20 .948 10.35 .936 10.92
1876 NYU NL 33 1B 56 578 547 10 21 11 .964 9.95 .942 10.65
1877 HAR NL 34 1B 60 741 704 10 27 25 .964 11.90 .951 10.86
1878 CHC NL 35 1B 61 765 719 13 33 28 .957 12.00 .956 11.51
1879 PRO NL 36 1B 65 812 779 11 22 24 .973 12.15 .953 11.13
1879 PRO NL 36 OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.90 0-0-1
1880 PRO NL 37 1B 82 993 954 10 29 30 .971 11.76 .959 10.55
1881 PRO NL 38 1B 79 887 837 17 33 50 .963 10.81 .960 10.52
1882 PRO NL 39 1B 82 951 905 21 25 54 .974 11.29 .958 10.37
1883 PRO NL 40 1B 87 995 923 29 43 48 .957 10.94 .961 10.58
1884 PRO NL 41 1B 93 980 939 21 20 31 .980 10.32 .962 10.47
1885 PRO NL 42 1B 101 1102 1036 35 31 42 .972 10.60 .970 10.85
1886 WHS NL 43 1B 31 365 348 7 10 16 .973 11.45 .968 10.35
16 Seasons 1B 1069 11859 11197 229 433 449 .963 10.69 .952 10.69
3 Seasons OF 5 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.98 1-1-3
16 Seasons TOT 1074 11859 11197 229 433 449 .963 10.64 .952 10.65 1-1-3
Lg Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
Note: Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
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Appearances on Leader Boards, Awards, and Honors

Stats are Year-Value-Rank · Glossary

Wins Above Replacement† s c a p y
1877 NL  2.5 (5th)
1878 NL  2.3 (10th)

WAR Position Players† s c a p y
1871 NA  1.1 (10th)
1874 NA  2.3 (6th)
1877 NL  2.5 (2nd)
1878 NL  2.3 (6th)
1879 NL  2.9 (10th)
1881 NL  2.5 (7th)
1882 NL  4.0 (6th)

Offensive WAR† s c a p y
1871 NA  1.2 (6th)
1874 NA  2.0 (8th)
1877 NL  2.3 (7th)
1878 NL  2.4 (4th)
1879 NL  2.5 (9th)
1881 NL  2.5 (6th)
1882 NL  2.8 (6th)

Defensive WAR† s c a p y
1882 NL  1.1 (4th)

Batting Average s c a p y
1871 NA  .360 (9th)
1877 NL  .332 (6th)
1878 NL  .351 (4th)
1879 NL  .319 (7th)
1881 NL  .328 (4th)
1882 NL  .329 (4th)
Career  .299 (225th)

On-Base% s c a p y
1877 NL  .347 (8th)
1878 NL  .355 (6th)
1879 NL  .333 (10th)
1882 NL  .349 (6th)

Slugging % s c a p y
1878 NL  .439 (6th)

On-Base Plus Slugging s c a p y
1877 NL  .745 (9th)
1878 NL  .794 (3rd)
1882 NL  .756 (9th)

Games Played s c a p y
1871 NA  33 (1st)
1872 NA  54 (8th)
1877 NL  60 (10th)

At Bats s c a p y
1871 NA  161 (4th)
1872 NA  277 (5th)
1874 NA  306 (10th)
1877 NL  271 (6th)
1878 NL  285 (1st)

Plate Appearances s c a p y
1871 NA  164 (6th)
1872 NA  277 (5th)
1874 NA  310 (10th)
1877 NL  277 (7th)
1878 NL  287 (2nd)

Runs Scored s c a p y
1877 NL  55 (4th)
1878 NL  58 (2nd)
1879 NL  70 (7th)

Hits s c a p y
1871 NA  58 (4th)
1874 NA  96 (9th)
1877 NL  90 (5th)
1878 NL  100 (1st)
1881 NL  114 (4th)
1882 NL  117 (3rd)

Total Bases s c a p y
1871 NA  68 (10th)
1877 NL  108 (9th)
1878 NL  125 (1st)

Doubles s c a p y
1874 NA  13 (8th)
1878 NL  12 (8th)

Triples s c a p y
1878 NL  5 (7th)
1882 NL  10 (9th)

Home Runs s c a p y
1874 NA  2 (5th)
1875 NA  4 (2nd)
1877 NL  1 (6th)
1878 NL  1 (5th)
1879 NL  2 (5th)

Runs Batted In s c a p y
1871 NA  34 (5th)
1872 NA  48 (2nd)
1874 NA  46 (8th)

Bases on Balls s c a p y
1884 NL  35 (10th)

Singles s c a p y
1871 NA  51 (2nd)
1872 NA  70 (8th)
1874 NA  78 (8th)
1877 NL  80 (2nd)
1878 NL  82 (1st)
1879 NL  83 (7th)
1880 NL  76 (10th)
1881 NL  96 (2nd)
1882 NL  99 (1st)

Adjusted OPS+ s c a p y
1877 NL  145 (7th)
1878 NL  152 (7th)
1879 NL  141 (10th)
1882 NL  142 (9th)

Runs Created s c a p y
1871 NA  25 (8th)
1877 NL  37 (8th)
1878 NL  44 (3rd)
1879 NL  43 (10th)
1881 NL  48 (10th)
1882 NL  51 (9th)

Adj. Batting Runs s c a p y
1877 NL  13 (8th)
1878 NL  15 (4th)
1879 NL  13 (10th)
1882 NL  15 (10th)

Adj. Batting Wins s c a p y
1877 NL  1.4 (7th)
1878 NL  1.7 (4th)
1879 NL  1.5 (10th)
1882 NL  1.7 (10th)

Extra Base Hits s c a p y
1874 NA  18 (10th)
1878 NL  18 (8th)

Times On Base s c a p y
1871 NA  61 (5th)
1874 NA  100 (8th)
1877 NL  96 (6th)
1878 NL  102 (2nd)
1881 NL  123 (9th)
1882 NL  128 (5th)

Offensive Win % s c a p y
1877 NL  .659 (9th)
1878 NL  .759 (4th)
1879 NL  .688 (9th)
1882 NL  .695 (8th)

Power-Speed # s c a p y
1874 NA  2.9 (5th)

AB per SO s c a p y
1876 NL  132.0 (4th)
1877 NL  135.5 (1st)
1878 NL  95.0 (2nd)
1879 NL  79.3 (2nd)
1881 NL  49.7 (5th)
1882 NL  50.9 (1st)
1883 NL  23.1 (10th)
1885 NL  37.4 (4th)
Career  43.5 (5th)

AB per HR s c a p y
1874 NA  153.0 (10th)
1875 NA  78.5 (2nd)
1879 NL  158.5 (5th)

Outs Made s c a p y
1872 NA  205 (2nd)

Putouts† s c a p y
1871 NA  334 (3rd)
1872 NA  497 (2nd)
1873 NA  413 (5th)
1874 NA  560 (3rd)
1875 NA  702 (3rd)
1877 NL  704 (1st)
1878 NL  719 (1st)
1879 NL  779 (2nd)
1880 NL  954 (1st)
1881 NL  837 (2nd)
1882 NL  905 (1st)
1885 NL  1,036 (5th)

Def. Games as 1B s c a p y
1871 NA  33 (1st)
1872 NA  54 (2nd)
1873 NA  53 (2nd)
1874 NA  63 (2nd)
1875 NA  69 (2nd)
1876 NL  56 (5th)
1877 NL  60 (1st)
1878 NL  61 (1st)
1879 NL  65 (4th)
1880 NL  82 (2nd)
1881 NL  79 (4th)
1882 NL  82 (2nd)
1885 NL  101 (4th)

Putouts as 1B s c a p y
1871 NA  334 (3rd)
1872 NA  497 (2nd)
1873 NA  413 (4th)
1874 NA  560 (3rd)
1875 NA  702 (3rd)
1877 NL  704 (1st)
1878 NL  719 (1st)
1879 NL  779 (2nd)
1880 NL  954 (1st)
1881 NL  837 (2nd)
1882 NL  905 (1st)
1885 NL  1,036 (5th)
Career  11,197 (89th)

Assists as 1B s c a p y
1873 NA  18 (1st)
1874 NA  13 (1st)
1875 NA  12 (3rd)
1876 NL  10 (4th)
1877 NL  10 (4th)
1878 NL  13 (4th)
1879 NL  11 (4th)
1881 NL  17 (5th)
1882 NL  21 (4th)
1885 NL  35 (4th)

Errors Committed as 1B s c a p y
1871 NA  29 (3rd)
1872 NA  22 (5th)
1875 NA  39 (3rd)
1877 NL  27 (2nd)
1878 NL  33 (3rd)
1879 NL  22 (5th)
1880 NL  29 (4th)
1881 NL  33 (2nd)
1882 NL  25 (5th)
1883 NL  43 (4th)
1885 NL  31 (2nd)
Career  433 (4th)

Range Factor/Game as 1B s c a p y
1875 NA  10.35 (5th)
1876 NL  9.95 (5th)
1877 NL  11.90 (1st)
1878 NL  12.00 (1st)
1879 NL  12.15 (2nd)
1880 NL  11.76 (1st)
1881 NL  10.81 (2nd)
1882 NL  11.29 (1st)
1883 NL  10.94 (2nd)
Career  10.69 (16th)

Fielding % as 1B s c a p y
1872 NA  .958 (1st)
1873 NA  .943 (2nd)
1874 NA  .961 (1st)
1875 NA  .948 (4th)
1876 NL  .964 (1st)
1877 NL  .964 (1st)
1878 NL  .957 (4th)
1879 NL  .973 (2nd)
1880 NL  .971 (3rd)
1881 NL  .963 (4th)
1882 NL  .974 (2nd)
1884 NL  .980 (1st)

Oldest s c a p y
1874 NA  born 1842-10-14 (8th)
1875 NA  born 1842-10-14 (8th)
1876 NL  born 1842-10-14 (5th)
1877 NL  born 1842-10-14 (4th)
1878 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1879 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1880 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1881 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1882 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1883 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1884 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1885 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)
1886 NL  born 1842-10-14 (1st)

             

Hall Of Fame Statistics

Player rank in (·)

Black InkBatting - 5 (383), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray InkBatting - 102 (219), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame MonitorBatting - 3 (1791), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 12 (1397), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS First Base (72nd), 32.2 career WAR/20.0 7yr-peak WAR/26.1 JAWS
Average HOF 1B (out of 18) = 62.3 career WAR/40.7 7yr-peak WAR/51.5 JAWS

Similarity Scores

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Salaries

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Year Age Team Salary Sources Notes
188138Providence Grays$1,300D. Morse, Sphere and Ash 60
Career to date (may be incomplete)$1,300
Salary Data (about) courtesy Doug Pappas, and the Society for American Baseball Research.
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