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Bobby Messenger

Charles Walter Messenger

Position: Rightfielder
Bats: Both, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 10", Weight: 165 lb.

Born: March 19, 1884 in Bangor, ME
School: Bates College (Lewiston, ME) (All Transactions)
Debut: August 30, 1909 (Age 25)
Teams (by GP): WhiteSox/Browns 1909-1914

Final Game: May 5, 1914 (Age 30)
Died: July 10, 1951 in Bath, ME
Buried: Richmond Cemetery, Richmond, ME
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Standard Batting

More Stats

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1909 25 CHW AL 31 130 112 18 19 1 1 0 0 7 13 24 .170 .268 .196 .464 49 22 2 3 O
1910 26 CHW AL 9 33 26 7 6 0 1 0 4 3 4 2 .231 .375 .308 .683 119 8 2 1 /O
1911 27 CHW AL 13 22 17 4 2 0 1 0 0 0 3 5 .118 .250 .235 .485 37 4 0 2 /O
1914 30 SLB AL 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0 0 0 /O9
4 Yrs 54 187 157 29 27 1 3 0 4 10 0 20 31 .172 .282 .217 .498 58 34 4 6
162 Game Avg. 162 561 471 87 81 3 9 0 12 30 60 93 .172 .282 .217 .498 58 102 12 18
CHW (3 yrs) 53 185 155 29 27 1 3 0 4 10 20 31 .174 .285 .219 .504 60 34 4 6
SLB (1 yr) 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0 0 0

Player Value--Batters

WAR Explained (v2.2): 8+ MVP, 5+ A-S, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Sub, < 0 Repl
Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
1909 25 CHW AL 31 130 -6 0 0 0 -2 -7 -0.9 5 -2 -0.4 .471 .494 -0.4 -0.2 -3 O
1910 26 CHW AL 9 33 1 0 0 0 -0 1 0.1 1 2 0.2 .510 .501 0.2 -0.1 2 /O
1911 27 CHW AL 13 22 -2 0 0 0 -0 -2 -0.2 1 -1 -0.1 .485 .499 -0.1 -0.0 -1 /O
1914 30 SLB AL 1 2 -0 0 0 0 -0 -0 -0.1 0 -0 -0.1 .445 .500 -0.1 0.0 -0 /O9
4 Seasons 54 187 -7 1 0 0 -2 -9 -1.1 7 -2 -0.4 .480 .497 -0.3 -0.3 -2
CHW (3 yrs) 53 185 -7 1 0 0 -2 -8 -1.0 7 -2 -0.3 .481 .497 -0.3 -0.3 -2
SLB (1 yr) 1 2 -0 0 0 0 -0 -0 -0.1 0 -0 -0.1 .445 .500 -0.1 0.0 -0

Standard Fielding

More Stats

Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/9 RF/G lgFld% lgRF9 lgRFG G Awards
1909 CHW AL 25 OF 31 40 34 4 2 1 .950 1.23 .951 1.85 0-0-31
1910 CHW AL 26 OF 8 13 9 2 2 0 .846 1.38 .954 1.82 8-0-0
1911 CHW AL 27 OF 4 8 7 0 1 0 .875 1.75 .950 2.00 4-0-0
1914 SLB AL 30 OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 2.00
1914 SLB AL 30 RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.60
4 Seasons OF 44 0 0 61 50 6 5 1 .918 1.27 .951 1.86 12-0-32
1 Season (incomplete) RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.60
4 Seasons TOT 44 0 0 61 50 6 5 1 .918 1.27 .951 1.86 12-0-32
Note: Complete player games played data.
Fielding stats are a combination of official records and RetroSheet records. Both are likely to have substantial errors and will not match perfectly.
View Complete Notes on Fielding Data
Leagues historically made no effort to balance team, league, and player fielding stats. Since 1990 or so, computers have made this feasible, but prior to that there are hundreds or thousands of discrepancies each year in games played (even whether a player played a position), putouts, assists, double plays and errors.
  • Pre-1938 SB & CS data for catchers is estimated from catcher assists, games started and opposition stolen bases.
  • From 1938 on SB, CS, Pickoff, & WP data for catchers and pitchers is taken from play-by-play accounts in the retrosheet files. There are several hundred games without pbp from 1938 to 1973 and for those we may not have any data.
  • CG & GS come from the retrosheet data and should be complete and pretty accurate from 1914 on.
  • Innings played (like SB and CS) come from the retrosheet play-by-play data and should be considered mostly complete from 1938 to 1973 and complete from then on.
  • Stats (PO,A,G, etc) for LF-CF-RF positions (since 1914) is taken from play-by-play or box score data as available.
  • Stats (PO,A,G,etc) for C,P,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF positions is taken from the official reported totals and may have been corrected at various times since their publication.
  • For detailed information on which games retrosheet is missing play-by-play from 1938 to 1973, please see their most wanted games list
  • For detailed information on the availability of data on this site by year, see our data coverage page

Transactions

  • July 10, 1909: Purchased by the Chicago White Sox from Fall River (New England).
  • September 15, 1913: Drafted by the St. Louis Browns from Birmingham (Southern Association) in the 1913 rule 5 draft.
The transaction information used here was obtained free of charge from and is copyrighted by RetroSheet. We attempt to update transactions throughout the season.

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Name and misspellings: Charles bob bobbie Bobby Walter Messenger

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