From BR Bullpen
Great Summary! ---
Can someone merge the new version and old one? The guy contributed some good material but erased all the good old material that was there. - --Mischa 16:26, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)
I've integrated the new and old material as Mischa suggested.
BTW, I've never heard of Three Finger Brown throwing a screwball. Everything that I've heard of about him says that he threw a devastating curve, but nothing about a screwball. It seems impossible to me that he could have thrown one and not had it noticed. --Roger 18:05, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)
I've never heard of a dirt ball, of Fred Blavelt, or the Williamson Muraders, but it sounds plausible enough when transcribed into grammatically correct English, so I'm leaving it in for now.--Philippe 14:21, 27 Feb 2006 (EST)
It sounded a bit made up for me. I wasn't able to verify it from any other source. - --Mischa 20:13, 27 Feb 2006 (EST)
I'm not buying the dirt ball. Sorry. --Scott 20:32, 27 Feb 2006 (EST)
 I wrote about the dirt ball
So what do yall think about the dirt ball??? Its a good pitch. I think it's a good pitch as long as the catcher can stop it and the pitcher can control it.
The "dirt ball" isn't really a separate pitch. Plenty of pitchers have learned that an especially hard breaking curve or splitter will break into the dirt and get an anxious batter to swing. That's just a specific location of an existing pitch, not a separate pitch. --Roger 14:58, 2 Mar 2006 (EST)
Otis, since you're still young enough to have a pitching career in front of you, we'll make a deal: you throw the dirt ball successfully at any level of professional baseball, and we'll re-insert it among the list of pitches ! Personally, I think it could only work by accident, because the risk of a wild pitch or passed ball is just too high to throw in a game situation. Plus, if batters know that a pitcher throws the dirt ball, they would just take the pitch for an automatic ball: any pitch that hits the dirt before crossing the plate is a ball, even if it bounces back into the strike zone. --Philippe 03:28, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
Yesterday I threw a 1 hitter 13k's 1 walk and allowed 1 run... all thanxs to the dirtball.. well a splitter over the plate and into the dirt. The batters were way behind my fastball and swung silly at my circle change.. ducked out of the way of my knuckle curve and the batters could not time me cutter or 2seam. I also had a cuple dirt balls called for strikes and the batters did not swing. **Otis**
Photos of sidearm and submariners might be a nice addition.
Never heard of a Froganard before. Is someone pulling a fast one? If so, we should remove it. - --Mischa 12:35, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
It's not in the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers, so I'm assuming that it's random vandalism and removing it. --Roger 13:57, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
what about the slow ball?
Knuckle-Curve You guys got any info about the Knuckle-Curve? I think Mike Mussina has that pitch