Talk:Philadelphia Phillies

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Franchise record needs to be updated. - --Mischa 09:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Just took care of the franchise record.- Yuriy 43

Only 1,033 losses? - --Mischa 19:48, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

You're right my mistake. Forgot the 2. BTW: What qualifies as a franchise player?- Yuriy 43

A franchise player is one that defines the team during a certain period of its history. Criteria includes a long and successful career with the club. Or a shorter one but with many highlights (individual honors or contribution to a number of championship). By definition a Hall of Famer who spent a substantial portion of his career with a team is a franchise player; not so if he had only a couple of years there. For non Hall of Famers, career length and quality of contribution become more important. To take the Phillies' example, Ashburn, Schmidt, Carlton and Klein, for example are no-brainers, as Hall of Famers associated with the team. Magee and Ennis were the team's top hitters during successful periods (the 1910s and 1950s, respectively). Allen was the team's best player in the 1960s; Bowa has the third-most games played in Philly history and was a key member of one of the most successful editions of the team; Schilling is among all-time franchise leaders in innings pitched and a key member of a World Series team; Utley and Howard are the heart of the current great team. Who wouldn't qualify then ? Pete Rose (only 5 seasons, and everyone knows him as a Red); Red Dooin (long career, but not really a star); Roy Halladay (only his second season); Steve Bedrosian (won a Cy Young, but not much else)... It's not black and white: you could make a case for including Curt Simmons and Ken Williams for example. The important thing is to encompass the whole history. --Philippe 03:59, 31 August 2011 (EDT)