Talk:Dobie Moore

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Dobie Moore's birth and death dates

Current research so far has failed to confirm any birth or death dates for Moore. When Gary A. and I were first going through the WW1 draft records on Ancestry.com, we found the registration of the white Walter Moore that Gary mentions on his blog. I added the note of "unconfirmed note" about the proposed death date, not feeling confident enough at that moment to say outright that the death date was wrong. I was given it by SABR NLC, but found it inconclusive.

I believe that until/unless we find his Army enlistment/discharge records (or a possible WW2 registration), it's unlikely we'll have the birthdate for certain, and all the stories of where/when he died and was buried are still rumors. The reference to a death date should probably be removed.

-- Couillaud 10:25, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Incorrect reference to death and burial

The particular reference that was just given for a Walter Moore who died in Cobb, GA in 1977 is absolutely incorrect. I have the death certificate on that individual, who turned out to be Caucasian. In short, he was NOT the Walter "Dobie" Moore of Negro Leagues fame. Mr. Liebman, you found a near match and are asserting it to be an absolute truth. Trust me on this one, it was the wrong Walter Moore. I have been actively searching for the death and burial place and date for Dobie Moore since 2006, and I've already had to eliminate most of the leads as blind alleys, this one included.

Also, I provisionally removed the category of "World War I veteran"; Dobie Moore served in the 25th Infantry during all of WW1, but the division did not see action. They remained stateside (actually in Hawaii for most or all of the time). I don't know if being in the Army in a non-combat role qualifies as being a veteran of the Great War. -- Couillaud 01:32, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

While the VFW has strict guidelines that someone had to have served in "hostile" territory, waters, or skies to be a member of their organization, the VA considers anyone who served in the military during specific time periods to be veterans of specific wars. See, for example, this report [1] on Korean War veterans. Their lists of last surviving combatants from specific wars also include people who served away from gunfire. I would support this looser interpretation of Veteran for a specific war since it will be much easier for us to verify whether someone served during specific time periods rather than specific geographic locations during specific time periods. Kinston eagle 09:26, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

Couillaud, is the 1963 deathdate given accurate? I trust your research much more than Liebman's random sources. - --Mischa 10:40, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

No. It has been found to be another blind alley that didn't match; this particular Walter Moore was a lifelong resident of the Atlanta area and had been married since 1925, while we know that Dobie was in the Army for 4-5 years; resided in Kansas City at least as late as 1927; and moved to Detroit, where he was still known to be residing at least into the mid-1940s. We also know that he married in Kansas CIty before 1925, making the match even less unlikely.

It was arrived at in much the same way the 1977 date was; someone found a Walter Moore who nominally matched Walter "Dobie" Moore, and marked it as the correct one without further research. I've made the same mistake myself before, both in baseball and in genealogy.

However, there is one thing of which you may be certain: if we ever DO come across Dobie Moore's vital statistics, it will be a headline story on Gary Ashwill's blog. -- Couillaud 18:59, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

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