BR Bullpen:What's Happening
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[edit] League pages
Hi. I'm looking for feedback on the following pages: 1888, 1888 AA, 1888 NL, 1888 WS, 1952, 1952 AL, 1952 NL, 1952 WS, 1995, 1995 AL, 1995 NL, 1995 ALDS1, 1995 ALDS2, 1995 NLDS1, 1995 NLDS2, 1995 ALCS, 1995 NLCS, 1995 WS, and the Kansas State League as well as the AAGPBL seasons. --MichaelEng (talk) 09:10, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Lookin great, I think. -Chisoxfan 10:55, 4 January 2007 (EST)
I like it too, but lots of the links seem off. On the National League, AL and AA Season Templates, almost all the links are misdirected when pages already exist. One was aimed at Central League (United States) when the page is Central League (US) or Club Fe (Cuban League) when the page is Club Fe or similar problems. A births in/deaths in category for each year would be good but would take someone (or some people) to do lots of "retrofitting" as would some of the other stuff. I like the NLCS-type pages and league pages overall. Great work, but lots of stuff to look through and a fair bit of editing needed. - --Mischa 15:42, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Also, you erased some existing work - the 1995 NLDS2 had a fair bit of information that people have put in and got replaced by the new entry. There was a little bit on the 1995 ALDS2 that got erased and maybe about some of the others. - --Mischa 17:21, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Two more notes - 1) When you do add the new pages, could you do so slowly instead of in one large dump so that people can edit them as they come in instead of scrambling to deal with a lot of information at once?
2) Can you do the 2006 in Japanese Baseball page? It's one of the most requested and you did such a fine job with the others. - --Mischa 20:42, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- Re-added info to the NLDS page - they were originally reversed with the BB-Ref series 1 linking to the Bullpen series 2 page. The info on the ALDS2 page was moved under the appropriate game heading.
- The differences in the Central League and Club Fe names were due to my listing of the champions in the format Country|League|Champion. In the Central League's case in the league and country name concatenated (since there being some discussion of splitting the United States leagues off. Club Fe's is due to it being listed under Cuba in the same slot as the Cuban National Leagues whose team pages are in the format NAME (LEAGUE) so they ended up having the same format as well. I have moved the Cuban National League under the Americas heading.
- Mischa, what do you mean by "retrofitting"? The links on a player's page should still link to the date, not a list of births or deaths.
- Navboxes fixed by adding redirects. The names of the leagues were part of a proposal that I had to rename all the MLB league and playoff pages to their short names instead of their abbreviations, which would become redirects (i.e. 1884 AA>1884 American Association, 1995 WS>1995 World Series, etc.). My reasoning was that they are most often referred to by their short names rather than their abbreviations compare "1995 World Series" (43 000) to "1995 WS" (12 000) and that the names would make more sense from a naming convention perspective. Also if this info is added to all the pages of this type, they could just as easily be moved.
- Added a MLB playoff box to the top of the 1995 series.
- Added 2006 in Japanese baseball page.
- Paper of Record is now free, it has all issues of The Sporting News from 1886 - 2003 in PDF format.
- Any chance we could use "interwiki" links to link to pages rather than in an external links section. See the Taiwan Baseball Wiki for an example (in the left frame).
- Is there a way to contact Admin (talk · contribs) outside of the the wiki as it might be time for a site update to fix some outstanding problems (parserfunctions, image scaling, etc.) and the site is three versions out of date.
- Retrofitting - I meant that the 1888 sample you posted include links to Births and Deaths in 1888 categories, which would have to be added by going through all the existing pages and adding such categories. If this can be done automatically somehow, great!
- Renaming the pages. Sounds good to me.
- Thanks for the 2006 in Japanese Baseball page
- Great news about Paper of Record. Woohoo! If only I had more free time (not that I want to lose my job, of course)
- Interwiki links sound good to me. I thought they were just for official wikipedia pages (ex. links between the Dutch and English wikis for Hoofdklasse teams), but if not, we can add them in.
- The best way to contact Sean is either direct e-mail or through the BR Bullpen admin mailing list. If you're not on it, let him know. Once in a while we discuss issues about the Bullpen.
- --Mischa 21:04, 13 February 2007 (EST)
{{yr}} is acting oddly, so I wouldn't use it for now. --MichaelEng (talk) 14:58, 18 February 2007 (EST)
Hello,
Do you think there should be a "request an article" page on this wiki? Thanks.Alex 17:02, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
You can always create the page as a stub and hope people will add to it or raise the subject here. Do others think we should have a "request an article" page? Right now, there are so many stubs out there already. - --Mischa 17:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
The featured birthday template is great, but can we expand it to cover non-MLB players too? There are lots of bios here for people like Yutaka Fukumoto who are of interest and never played in the majors. - --Mischa 17:21, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
- I would need a listing of birthdates. --MichaelEng (talk) 18:05, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
- Through June 19, all birthdates listed on the Bullpen should be listed on the respective calendar page. Within a year, I hope to be all caught up. - --Mischa 18:07, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
Sites can be added to My spam blacklist to prohibit spammers from adding the same sites again and again. --MichaelEng (talk) 18:05, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
How about picture requests for prominent players without a pic up? Let's start with Tom Seaver, Ichiro Suzuki, Jim Thome, Jim Thorpe and Ferguson Jenkins. -
[edit] Bots erasing info
Sean seems to have tracked this down - it actually appears to have been a bot from a search engine. - --Mischa 17:30, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
The latest batch all was coming from the blackberry network and did not appear malicious as per Sean. He temporarily has blocked the blackberry network while this gets checked out. - --Mischa 11:54, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
[edit] We made it
We're past 40,000 content pages. I estimate that over 1/3 of the pages have been created since Sean set up the "base" with all the player and team pages - we've added thousands of minor league players and teams plus many Negro Leaguers, Nippon Pro Baseball Players, AAGPBL players, international teams, international tournaments, high schools, junior colleges, umpires, executives and more. I think we can all take a collective pat on the back for the progress the BR Bullpen has made to date. - --Mischa 12:32, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
These spammers are terrible the last few days. I got some of the overnight mess cleaned up but have to go to work now... if someone else doesn't get around to it, I'll finish the rest up later. -Chisoxfan 09:26, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
[edit] MLB pressbox
The MLB pressbox located here has 2006 or 2007 media guides for all MLB teams as well as headshots for most players on the 40-man rosters of those clubs (which may fall under fair use as promotional images). --MichaelEng (talk) 09:44, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
I just saw this post. Anyone with a little more legal knowledge than me want to take a stab as to whether we can use these images under fair use or not? Or does anyone want to contact MLB on behalf of the Bullpen? -Chisoxfan 00:39, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] bravesjournal.com copies the site
This site has copied the entire site. --MichaelEng (talk) 13:09, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
That was an error that has been fixed. Sean also hosts that site and had done something incorrect with the formatting. There was no ill will at work. - --Mischa 12:20, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Added new Extensions to the Site
You can see a full rundown of what is installed in the Special:Version page.
I tried really hard to get imagemagick installed and running, but I can't find a version older than 6.3 and installing that would require us to upgrade the kernel and many other things, which is a hurdle, I'm just not willing/able to clear right now.
--Admin 23:03, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
Comments regarding upgrade:
- on the fly image scaling is now enabled; all of the old Image:name-size.ext can be deleted
- the default sort magic word has been added and should now used
- the <ref> parser hooks from Cite.php are old but never seem to be used
- all of the templates using parser functions are now broken, due to the switch from not including the leading # to requiring it. These need to be fixed.
did all of the buttons at the top of the edit box disappear?image scaling of raster files does work, however it does not for vector images:
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the SVG file does not show up, except when fully rendered. I believe that all wiki-media projects use RSVG to create PNG thumbnails of its SVG images.string functions don't seem to work
--MichaelEng (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Soxrock/SoxrockProjects's edits
- Why are two accounts being used?
- Are all of these templates in Category:Baseball standings templates necessary, isn't the information already on the associated league page. If they are deemed necessary, alot of them need to be fixed as they link to the "main page" modern page for the club. For instance in {{1908 American League Standings}} the link for the Detroit Tigers goes to the Detroit Tigers rather than 1908 Detroit Tigers and St. Louis Browns > Baltimore Orioles?
- Are the listing of stats for most (all?) of the players necessary, the information (and much more) is a link away at the main BR site. If we want to list the team's roster there are User:Exshpos' great looking templates. Maybe a list of team leaders for certain stats would be better. Is it really that important to show that Slats Jordan had 4 at bats for the 1902 Orioles.
- Shouldn't there be a link to the yearly league page on the seasonal team articles. The standings and placing could go in the template. Should the header colors be changed to team specific?
- Are these all of templates necessary?
- What is the point of having these images uploaded here: Image:Al 1901 newyork 01.jpg, Image:Al 1912 newyork 01.jpg? We could just as easily link to the HoF page (or not since the link is already on the linked BR page) without using (stealing?) their content.
- There was seems to duplication of images and templates.
--MichaelEng (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Fair use images
A quick note about fair use images, they are only usable on the page which depicts the object in question. Using a baseball card image here is not allowed, nor is this, or even this using team logos here. Using the series logo is allowable as is using single season logos on the appropriate single season page. On postseason and year-team pages, the use of team-specific colors (example at wikipedia here and here) could be used instead. A template {{MLB htc}} has been made created this purpose. --MichaelEng (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
So you're saying we need to remove images such as this and these? Would that make image use on the front page a problem? -Chisoxfan 07:17, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
- Yes to both. The images on the seasonal pages should be removed since they do not add anything to the page, it would be like using
United States everytime the United States is mentioned. The images on the main page are only being used because there are no free alternatives available - all images currently on the main page could (and should) be replaced by other images if possible; an image for Limmer would be the hardest to obtain. --MichaelEng (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Further Extension work
I was able to compile and run ImageMagick, (Hallelujah!!) and now the thumbs are being auto-created.
I set up Special:ImportFreeImages now works, so you can grab images from flickr and use them on the site.
Special:MultipleUpload now works, so you can upload multiple files at once.
CharInsert appears to be working, at least I can see a box below. Is it?
Are the string and parser functions now working? Put something in my talk page if we need that fixed.
I'm going to work on getting the edittools back in there.
11:00, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
- Both charinsert and string functions are working. --MichaelEng (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
Edittoolbar appears to be working now.
--Admin 12:31, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] SVG Resizing
The flag appears to be resizing appropriately now.
--Admin 12:32, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
- there are still some SVG resizing problems (Flag of the United States: }) --MichaelEng (talk) 13:31, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Math Markup
The math markup modules are working now, so you can use latex to your heart's content.
--Admin 13:55, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Wikipedia and GFDL
Can wikipedia copy our articles without attribution? (Some examples [1] [2] [3] [4])? --MichaelEng (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
I have no idea. I know it's been done many times. I'm also worried that people have copied some articles here from wikipedia without proper attribution. It'd be a lot easier if people just contributed original work everywhere. - --Mischa 13:40, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Any way to find old edits for a time period
If I try to list more than 3,000 "Recent changes", it doesn't bring them up. As a result, I have been unable to review anything added from 8/13, 21:55 to 8/14, 18:22. Is there any way to bring up those edits only? - --Mischa 13:46, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Fair use images
As per MichaelEng's reasoning above, I am removing fair use images from articles. I've already disabled the feature in the infoboxes, and all logos will be removed from articles where they violate copyright. I like them there, but we need to stay within copyright rules, and they do not depict the object in question. Only on the team's page does it depict the object in question. Thanks Soxrock 12:30, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Vandalism as of late
Hey Jeff; what is with the vandals as of late? I mean, yesterday, there were at least 30 articles vandalized that we had to revert. I have no idea where they came from. Do you? Thanks Soxrock 12:30, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
We've had spells before like this, usually a search engine bot like Yahoo's. Once we notify the admin, he usually finds a way to block them within a week. Jeff emailed Sean, I believe. - --Mischa 15:34, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Career MLB Stats
I've lifted the below from the Lance Broadway talk page.
Are these "Current Major League Stats" sections necessary? They seem like a maintenance nightmare. And, updated stats are already just a click away at the BR pages. -Chisoxfan 17:53, 21 October 2007 (EDT)There are other talk pages around here with exactly the same sentiment. --Jeff 00:19, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
I want to say that I fully agree with the sentiments expressed and would like to see if there is a consensus to simply delete these sections when we come across them. --Philippe 11:30, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
[edit] New stadium pages
- Sorry about the mess caused by the mass addition of the stadiums, but thanks to help from Mischa I think most of the pages are no longer full of red links. --MichaelEng (talk) 23:02, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Neat news
For the second straight month, our number of "wanted pages" has gone down. I can't recall this ever happening before. Let's hope we keep it up. - --Mischa 12:13, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Three months in a row. Under 32,000 wanted pages for the first time since December. - --Mischa 09:51, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Four in a row. - --Mischa 13:51, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
