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Sportsman's Park III, Attendance: 22,050 |
Saturday, April 13, 1963, 2:00PM Time of Game: 2:20 |
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Phillies
0
2-1
Lost 1
4th, 1½ GB
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
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Phillies 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 4
Cardinals 1 2 0 0 0 0 1 3 X 7 10 1
W: Curt Simmons (1-0), L: Art Mahaffey (1-1) |
Cardinals
7
3-0
Won 3
2nd, ½ GB
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Batting Stats
Philadelphia Phillies AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details T Taylor 2B 4 0 1 0 0 0 .308 .615 2 1 D Hoak 3B 4 0 1 0 0 1 .273 .657 2 5 J Callison RF 3 0 1 0 1 2 .417 1.378 3 0 2B D Demeter 1B 3 0 1 0 1 0 .300 .664 8 1 W Graham LF 4 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 1 0 B Wine SS 3 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 1 1 T Gonzalez CF 3 0 1 0 0 0 .250 .650 0 0 B Oldis C 3 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 6 0 2·GDP A Mahaffey P 1 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 1 0 C Rojas PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 0 0 J Klippstein P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 E Averill PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 0 0 R Duren P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 D Green P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 30 0 5 0 2 4 24 9
Batting Events
2B: J Callison (3, off C Simmons).
TB: J Callison 2; T Gonzalez; T Taylor; D Hoak; D Demeter.
GIDP: B Oldis 2 (2).
Team LOB: 5.
With RISP: 0 for 2.
Fielding Events
E: W Graham (1); B Oldis (1); J Callison (1); D Hoak (1).
St.Louis Cardinals AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details C Flood CF 4 0 0 0 1 1 .154 .421 2 1 D Groat SS 4 2 2 2 1 0 .462 1.610 1 5 HR,3B B White 1B 4 0 0 1 1 1 .364 1.103 9 0 G Altman RF 5 0 2 0 0 1 .500 1.071 3 0 2B K Boyer 3B 4 0 0 0 0 1 .154 .368 0 2 S Musial LF 3 0 0 0 0 0 .167 .452 1 0 C James LF 1 1 1 0 0 0 .333 .667 2 0 C Sawatski C 3 2 2 1 1 0 .500 1.431 4 0 HR J Javier 2B 4 2 2 2 0 0 .250 .891 5 3 HR,2B C Simmons P 4 0 1 0 0 1 .250 .500 0 0 Totals 36 7 10 0 4 5 27 11
Batting Events
2B: G Altman (1, off A Mahaffey); J Javier (1, off R Duren).
3B: D Groat (1, off A Mahaffey).
HR: C Sawatski (1, off A Mahaffey; 2nd inn, 0 on, 1 out); D Groat (2, off J Klippstein; 7th inn, 0 on, 1 out); J Javier (1, off A Mahaffey; 2nd inn, 0 on, 1 out).
TB: D Groat 7; J Javier 6; C Sawatski 5; G Altman 3; C James; C Simmons.
RBI: D Groat 2 (3); J Javier 2 (2); C Sawatski (1); B White (4).
2-out RBI: B White; D Groat.
Team LOB: 9.
With RISP: 1 for 7.
Fielding Events
DP: 2. D Groat-J Javier-B White 2.
E: J Javier (1).
Pitching Stats
Philadelphia Phillies IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA A Mahaffey, L (1-1) 5 7 3 3 0 3 2 2.57 23 - · · 7· 6· 0· 7 44 - 0.53 -0.15 J Klippstein 2 1 1 1 0 1 1 4.50 8 - · · 5· 1· 0· 1 0-0 0.21 -0.01 R Duren 0.2 2 3 3 4 1 0 40.50 8 - · · 0· 1· 0· 2 0-0 0.06 -0.01 D Green 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 1 - · · 0· 1· 0· 0 3-0 0.01 0.00 Totals 8 10 7 7 4 5 3 40 - · · 12· 9· 0·10 3-0
St.Louis Cardinals IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA C Simmons, W (1-0) 9 5 0 0 2 4 0 0.00 32 - · · 9·12· 3· 5 79 - 0.67 0.34 Totals 9 5 0 0 2 4 0 32 - · · 9·12· 3· 5 -
Balks: A Mahaffey (1).
WP: None.
HBP: None.
IBB: None.
Pickoffs: None.
Other Info
Umpires:
HP - Al Barlick, 1B - Ed Vargo, 2B - Doug Harvey, 3B - Lee Weyer.
Time of Game: 2:20.
Attendance: 22,050.
Field Condition: Unknown.
Start Time Weather: Unknown.
Lineups
Philadelphia Phillies St.Louis Cardinals 1. Tony Taylor 2B 1. Curt Flood CF 2. Don Hoak 3B 2. Dick Groat SS 3. Johnny Callison RF 3. Bill White 1B 4. Don Demeter 1B 4. George Altman RF 5. Wayne Graham LF 5. Ken Boyer 3B 6. Bobby Wine SS 6. Stan Musial LF 7. Tony Gonzalez CF 7. Carl Sawatski C 8. Bob Oldis C 8. Julian Javier 2B 9. Art Mahaffey P 9. Curt Simmons P
Top 5 Plays
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| b1 | 1 | --- | R | 11% | 63% | 0-0 | STL | D. Groat | A. Mahaffey | Triple to RF; Groat Scores/Adv on E9/No RBI | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | R | 10% | 74% | 1-0 | STL | C. Sawatski | A. Mahaffey | Home Run | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | R | 8% | 82% | 2-0 | STL | J. Javier | A. Mahaffey | Home Run | |
| t3 | 0 | 1-- | OO | 7% | 84% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Oldis | C. Simmons | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B | |
| t5 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 5% | 89% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Oldis | C. Simmons | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B |
Play By Play
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · Box Score Explanation · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| Top of the 1st, Phillies Batting, Tied 0-0, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t1 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 52% | 0-0 | PHI | T. Taylor | C. Simmons | Foul Flyball: 1B | |
| t1 | 1 | --- | O | 2% | 54% | 0-0 | PHI | D. Hoak | C. Simmons | Strikeout Looking | |
| t1 | 2 | --- | O | 1% | 55% | 0-0 | PHI | J. Callison | C. Simmons | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 1st, Cardinals Batting, Tied 0-0, Phillies' Art Mahaffey facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| b1 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 52% | 0-0 | STL | C. Flood | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| b1 | 1 | --- | R | 11% | 63% | 0-0 | STL | D. Groat | A. Mahaffey | Triple to RF; Groat Scores/Adv on E9/No RBI | |
| b1 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 62% | 1-0 | STL | B. White | A. Mahaffey | Strikeout Looking | |
| b1 | 2 | --- | 1% | 63% | 1-0 | STL | G. Altman | A. Mahaffey | Single to 1B | ||
| b1 | 2 | 1-- | 1% | 64% | 1-0 | STL | K. Boyer | A. Mahaffey | Balk; Altman to 2B | ||
| b1 | 2 | -2- | O | -3% | 61% | 1-0 | STL | K. Boyer | A. Mahaffey | Strikeout | |
| 1 run, 2 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 1. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 2nd, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-1, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t2 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 63% | 0-1 | PHI | D. Demeter | C. Simmons | Flyball: RF | |
| t2 | 1 | --- | O | 2% | 65% | 0-1 | PHI | W. Graham | C. Simmons | Flyball: RF | |
| t2 | 2 | --- | O | 1% | 66% | 0-1 | PHI | B. Wine | C. Simmons | Flyball: CF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 1. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 2nd, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 1-0, Phillies' Art Mahaffey facing 6-7-8 | |||||||||||
| b2 | 0 | --- | 0% | 66% | 1-0 | STL | S. Musial | A. Mahaffey | E2 on Foul Ball | ||
| b2 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 64% | 1-0 | STL | S. Musial | A. Mahaffey | Flyball: SS | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | R | 10% | 74% | 1-0 | STL | C. Sawatski | A. Mahaffey | Home Run | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | R | 8% | 82% | 2-0 | STL | J. Javier | A. Mahaffey | Home Run | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 81% | 3-0 | STL | C. Simmons | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 1B-P | |
| b2 | 2 | --- | O | -0% | 81% | 3-0 | STL | C. Flood | A. Mahaffey | Strikeout | |
| 2 runs, 2 hits, 1 error, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 3rd, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-3, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 7-8-9 | |||||||||||
| t3 | 0 | --- | -4% | 77% | 0-3 | PHI | T. Gonzalez | C. Simmons | Reached on E4 (Ground Ball) | ||
| t3 | 0 | 1-- | OO | 7% | 84% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Oldis | C. Simmons | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B | |
| t3 | 2 | --- | O | 1% | 85% | 0-3 | PHI | A. Mahaffey | C. Simmons | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 3rd, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 3-0, Phillies' Art Mahaffey facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| b3 | 0 | --- | O | -1% | 84% | 3-0 | STL | D. Groat | A. Mahaffey | Flyball: RF | |
| b3 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 83% | 3-0 | STL | B. White | A. Mahaffey | Flyball: LF | |
| b3 | 2 | --- | 1% | 84% | 3-0 | STL | G. Altman | A. Mahaffey | Double | ||
| b3 | 2 | -2- | O | -2% | 83% | 3-0 | STL | K. Boyer | A. Mahaffey | Fielder's Choice 3B unassisted; Altman out at 3B/3B | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 4th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-3, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t4 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 85% | 0-3 | PHI | T. Taylor | C. Simmons | Single to CF; Taylor out at 2B/CF-2B | |
| t4 | 1 | --- | O | 1% | 86% | 0-3 | PHI | D. Hoak | C. Simmons | Lineout: LF | |
| t4 | 2 | --- | -2% | 84% | 0-3 | PHI | J. Callison | C. Simmons | Double | ||
| t4 | 2 | -2- | -1% | 83% | 0-3 | PHI | D. Demeter | C. Simmons | Walk | ||
| t4 | 2 | 12- | O | 4% | 87% | 0-3 | PHI | W. Graham | C. Simmons | Flyball: 2B | |
| 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 4th, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 3-0, Phillies' Art Mahaffey facing 6-7-8 | |||||||||||
| b4 | 0 | --- | O | -1% | 86% | 3-0 | STL | S. Musial | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| b4 | 1 | --- | 1% | 87% | 3-0 | STL | C. Sawatski | A. Mahaffey | Single | ||
| b4 | 1 | 1-- | O | -1% | 86% | 3-0 | STL | J. Javier | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 3B-2B/Forceout at 2B | |
| b4 | 2 | 1-- | 1% | 87% | 3-0 | STL | C. Simmons | A. Mahaffey | Single; Javier to 2B | ||
| b4 | 2 | 12- | O | -2% | 85% | 3-0 | STL | C. Flood | A. Mahaffey | Flyball: 2B | |
| 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 5th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-3, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 6-7-8 | |||||||||||
| t5 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 87% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Wine | C. Simmons | Flyball: RF | |
| t5 | 1 | --- | -2% | 85% | 0-3 | PHI | T. Gonzalez | C. Simmons | Single | ||
| t5 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 5% | 89% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Oldis | C. Simmons | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 5th, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 3-0, Phillies' Art Mahaffey facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| b5 | 0 | --- | O | -1% | 89% | 3-0 | STL | D. Groat | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| b5 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 88% | 3-0 | STL | B. White | A. Mahaffey | Foul Flyball: C | |
| b5 | 2 | --- | 1% | 89% | 3-0 | STL | G. Altman | A. Mahaffey | Reached on E7 (Fly Ball); Altman to 3B | ||
| b5 | 2 | --3 | O | -2% | 88% | 3-0 | STL | K. Boyer | A. Mahaffey | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 6th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-3, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 9-1-2 | |||||||||||
| Cookie Rojas pinch hits for Art Mahaffey (P) batting 9th | |||||||||||
| t6 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 90% | 0-3 | PHI | C. Rojas | C. Simmons | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| t6 | 1 | --- | O | 1% | 91% | 0-3 | PHI | T. Taylor | C. Simmons | Flyball: CF | |
| t6 | 2 | --- | -1% | 90% | 0-3 | PHI | D. Hoak | C. Simmons | Single | ||
| t6 | 2 | 1-- | -2% | 88% | 0-3 | PHI | J. Callison | C. Simmons | Walk; Hoak to 2B | ||
| t6 | 2 | 12- | O | 4% | 92% | 0-3 | PHI | D. Demeter | C. Simmons | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 6th, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 3-0, Phillies' Johnny Klippstein facing 6-7-8 | |||||||||||
| Johnny Klippstein replaces Cookie Rojas (PH) pitching and batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b6 | 0 | --- | O | -1% | 91% | 3-0 | STL | S. Musial | J. Klippstein | Groundout: 1B unassisted | |
| b6 | 1 | --- | O | -0% | 91% | 3-0 | STL | C. Sawatski | J. Klippstein | Flyball: RF | |
| b6 | 2 | --- | 0% | 91% | 3-0 | STL | J. Javier | J. Klippstein | Reached on E5 (Ground Ball) | ||
| b6 | 2 | 1-- | O | -1% | 90% | 3-0 | STL | C. Simmons | J. Klippstein | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 7th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-3, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| Charlie James replaces Stan Musial playing LF batting 6th | |||||||||||
| t7 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 93% | 0-3 | PHI | W. Graham | C. Simmons | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t7 | 1 | --- | O | 1% | 94% | 0-3 | PHI | B. Wine | C. Simmons | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| t7 | 2 | --- | O | 1% | 95% | 0-3 | PHI | T. Gonzalez | C. Simmons | Flyball: SS | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 7th, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 3-0, Phillies' Johnny Klippstein facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| b7 | 0 | --- | O | -0% | 94% | 3-0 | STL | C. Flood | J. Klippstein | Groundout: P-1B | |
| b7 | 1 | --- | R | 3% | 97% | 3-0 | STL | D. Groat | J. Klippstein | Home Run | |
| b7 | 1 | --- | O | -0% | 97% | 4-0 | STL | B. White | J. Klippstein | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| b7 | 2 | --- | O | -0% | 97% | 4-0 | STL | G. Altman | J. Klippstein | Strikeout | |
| 1 run, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 4. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 8th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-4, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| t8 | 0 | --- | O | 1% | 98% | 0-4 | PHI | B. Oldis | C. Simmons | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| Earl Averill pinch hits for Johnny Klippstein (P) batting 9th | |||||||||||
| t8 | 1 | --- | O | 1% | 99% | 0-4 | PHI | E. Averill | C. Simmons | Lineout: LF | |
| t8 | 2 | --- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-4 | PHI | T. Taylor | C. Simmons | Flyball: LF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 4. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 8th, Cardinals Batting, Ahead 4-0, Phillies' Ryne Duren facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| Ryne Duren replaces Earl Averill (PH) pitching and batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b8 | 0 | --- | O | -0% | 99% | 4-0 | STL | K. Boyer | R. Duren | Flyball: RF | |
| b8 | 1 | --- | 0% | 99% | 4-0 | STL | C. James | R. Duren | Single | ||
| b8 | 1 | 1-- | 0% | 99% | 4-0 | STL | C. Sawatski | R. Duren | Walk; James to 2B | ||
| b8 | 1 | 12- | R | 1% | 100% | 4-0 | STL | J. Javier | R. Duren | Double; James Scores; Sawatski to 3B | |
| b8 | 1 | -23 | O | -0% | 100% | 5-0 | STL | C. Simmons | R. Duren | Strikeout Looking | |
| b8 | 2 | -23 | 0% | 100% | 5-0 | STL | C. Flood | R. Duren | Walk | ||
| b8 | 2 | 123 | R | 0% | 100% | 5-0 | STL | D. Groat | R. Duren | Walk; Sawatski Scores; Javier to 3B; Flood to 2B | |
| b8 | 2 | 123 | R | 0% | 100% | 6-0 | STL | B. White | R. Duren | Walk; Javier Scores; Flood to 3B; Groat to 2B | |
| Dallas Green replaces Ryne Duren pitching and batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b8 | 2 | 123 | O | 0% | 100% | 7-0 | STL | G. Altman | D. Green | Foul Flyball: 3B | |
| 3 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 3 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 7. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 9th, Phillies Batting, Behind 0-7, Cardinals' Curt Simmons facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| t9 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-7 | PHI | D. Hoak | C. Simmons | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| t9 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-7 | PHI | J. Callison | C. Simmons | Strikeout | |
| t9 | 2 | --- | 0% | 100% | 0-7 | PHI | D. Demeter | C. Simmons | Single | ||
| t9 | 2 | 1-- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-7 | PHI | W. Graham | C. Simmons | Lineout: 2B | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Phillies 0, Cardinals 7. | |||||||||||
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