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@BAL		9
2
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@CHW		5
1		 
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@KCA		3
1
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@LAA		11
5
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@HOU		10
3
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@NYM		1
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Sunday, September 23, 1962, 2:15PM
, Polo Grounds V
Attendance: 10,304, Time of Game: 3:04
Cubs
1
57-100
⇐ Lost 1 ⇒
 at Mets
2
39-116
⇐ Won 1 ⇒
W: Roger Craig (10-23)
L: Jim Brewer (0-1)
 
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Cubs            1  0  0   0  0  0   0  0  0    1  3  3
Mets            0  0  0   0  0  1   0  0  1    2  6  1
Winning Run scored with 2 outs

Chicago Cubs

Batting AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS WPA aLI WPA+ WPA- RE24 PO A
Billy Ott RF 4 0 0 0 0 0 .148 .466 -0.122 1.21 0.000 -0.122 -1.0 1 0
Ken Hubbs 2B 3 1 0 0 1 1 .263 .654 -0.038 0.86 0.037 -0.076 -0.2 3 2
Ernie Banks 1B 4 0 0 0 0 1 .272 .817 -0.089 0.88 0.000 -0.089 -0.7 9 0
Billy Williams LF 3 0 2 0 1 0 .306 .855 0.123 1.22 0.141 -0.018 0.8 1 0
Nelson Mathews CF 3 0 1 1 0 1 .212 .611 0.021 1.77 0.091 -0.070 0.3 3 0 SH
Ron Santo 3B 4 0 0 0 0 1 .228 .661 -0.199 1.87 0.000 -0.199 -1.3 2 4
Alex Grammas SS 3 0 0 0 0 1 .205 .487 -0.014 1.06 0.042 -0.056 -0.3 2 2
   Bob Will PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 .233 .646 -0.104 3.66 0.000 -0.104 -0.3
   Andre Rodgers SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 .282 .736 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 0 1
Cuno Barragan C 2 0 0 0 0 2 .202 .556 -0.039 0.77 0.000 -0.039 -0.4 1 2
   George Altman PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 .313 .897 -0.049 2.05 0.000 -0.049 -0.3
   Dick Bertell C 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297 .707 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 3 0
George Gerberman P 1 0 0 0 1 0 .000 .500 0.016 0.55 0.026 -0.010 0.2 0 1
   Freddie Burdette P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 0 0
   Danny Murphy PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 .206 .603 -0.042 1.47 0.000 -0.042 -0.2
   Don Elston P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 1 1
   Jim Brewer P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 0 0
   Bob Anderson P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .130 .417 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 0 0
Team Totals 30 1 3 1 3 9 .100 .282 -0.536 1.29 0.337 -0.874 -3.6 26 13
SH: N Mathews (1, off R Craig).
TB: B Williams 2; N Mathews.
RBI: N Mathews (8).
2-out RBI: N Mathews.
Team LOB: 6.
With RISP: 1 for 5.
Fielding
DP: 2. D Elston-E Banks; R Santo-C Barragan-R Santo-K Hubbs-C Barragan-A Grammas.
E: G Gerberman (1); K Hubbs 2 (15).

New York Mets

Batting AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS WPA aLI WPA+ WPA- RE24 PO A
Elio Chacon SS 2 0 0 0 3 1 .235 .660 0.010 1.40 0.107 -0.097 0.4 1 1
Choo-Choo Coleman C 5 1 2 0 0 0 .259 .783 0.191 2.04 0.286 -0.095 1.1 10 0 2·2B
Joe Christopher RF 5 0 0 0 0 0 .248 .715 -0.332 2.09 0.000 -0.332 -2.2 1 0
Frank Thomas LF 4 1 2 2 1 1 .262 .811 0.400 2.10 0.587 -0.187 0.5 2 0 HR
Ed Kranepool 1B 4 0 1 0 0 0 .200 .600 0.080 1.32 0.139 -0.059 0.3 6 1 2B
   Rick Herrscher PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 .182 .545 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0
   Roger Craig P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .053 .166 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0 0 2
Sammy Drake 3B 3 0 1 0 1 0 .209 .501 -0.001 1.71 0.054 -0.055 0.0 1 0 IW
Jim Hickman CF 3 0 0 0 1 1 .249 .745 -0.012 2.12 0.104 -0.116 -0.3 2 0
Rod Kanehl 2B 2 0 0 0 1 0 .251 .628 -0.051 1.44 0.011 -0.062 -0.4 0 1 IW
   Marv Throneberry PH 0 0 0 0 0 0 .237 .718 0.000 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.0
   Felix Mantilla PH-2B 1 0 0 0 0 0 .275 .733 -0.141 4.60 0.000 -0.141 -0.8 1 0
Bob Miller P 2 0 0 0 1 0 .132 .338 -0.046 1.41 0.038 -0.084 -0.3 1 1
   Gil Hodges PH-1B 1 0 0 0 0 1 .252 .803 -0.134 5.34 0.000 -0.134 -0.8 2 0
Team Totals 32 2 6 2 8 4 .188 .725 -0.036 1.93 1.326 -1.362 -2.3 27 6
2B: C Coleman 2 (7, 1 off G Gerberman, 1 off J Brewer); E Kranepool (1, off D Elston).
HR: F Thomas (33, off G Gerberman; 6th inn, 0 on, 0 outs to LF).
IBB: R Kanehl (2, by F Burdette); S Drake (1, by D Elston).
TB: F Thomas 5; C Coleman 4; E Kranepool 2; S Drake.
RBI: F Thomas 2 (92).
2-out RBI: F Thomas.
Team LOB: 12.
With RISP: 1 for 11.
Fielding
PB: C Coleman (5).
E: E Chacon (21).

Chicago Cubs

Pitching IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF GSc IR IS WPA aLI RE24
George Gerberman 5.1 3 1 1 5 1 1 1.69 24 54 0.123 1.40 1.5
Freddie Burdette 0.2 0 0 0 1 0 0 2.35 3 1 0 0.078 2.04 0.5
Don Elston 1.1 1 0 0 2 2 0 2.60 7 0 0 -0.079 2.00 -0.6
Jim Brewer, L (0-1) 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 9.53 4 3 0 0.215 3.50 1.4
Bob Anderson 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.01 2 1 1 -0.301 3.89 -0.5
Team Totals 8.2 6 2 2 8 4 1 2.08 40 54 5 1 0.036 1.29 2.3

New York Mets

Pitching IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF GSc IR IS WPA aLI RE24
Bob Miller 8 2 1 1 3 9 0 5.15 30 80 0.397 1.05 3.1
Roger Craig, W (10-23) 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.42 4 0 0 0.139 3.17 0.5
Team Totals 9 3 1 1 3 9 0 1.00 34 80 0 0 0.536 1.93 3.6
Balks: None.
WP: B Anderson (8); B Miller (12).
HBP: None.
IBB: F Burdette (2; R Kanehl); D Elston (8; S Drake).
Pickoffs: None.

Other Info

Umpires: HP - Dusty Boggess, 1B - Stan Landes, 2B - Vinnie Smith, 3B - Mel Steiner.
Time of Game: 3:04.
Attendance: 10,304.
Field Condition: Unknown.
Start Time Weather: Sunny.

Starting Lineups

Chicago Cubs         New York Mets
1 Billy Ott RF 1 Elio Chacon SS
2 Ken Hubbs 2B 2 Choo-Choo Coleman C
3 Ernie Banks 1B 3 Joe Christopher RF
4 Billy Williams LF 4 Frank Thomas LF
5 Nelson Mathews CF 5 Ed Kranepool 1B
6 Ron Santo 3B 6 Sammy Drake 3B
7 Alex Grammas SS 7 Jim Hickman CF
8 Cuno Barragan C 8 Rod Kanehl 2B
9 George Gerberman P 9 Bob Miller P

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Inn Score Out RoB Pit(cnt) R/O @Bat Batter Pitcher wWPA wWE Play Description
b9 1-1 2 --3 R NYM F. Thomas B. Anderson 37% 100% Single to LF; Coleman Scores
b6 0-1 0 --- R NYM F. Thomas G. Gerberman 18% 58% Home Run
b1 0-1 1 -23 OO NYM F. Thomas G. Gerberman -14% 40% Double Play: Fielder's Choice 3B; Chacon out at Hm/3B-C-3B; Coleman out at 3B/3B-2B-C-SS
b8 1-1 1 123 O NYM F. Mantilla J. Brewer -14% 63% Foul Flyball: 3B
b8 1-1 2 123 O NYM G. Hodges J. Brewer -13% 50% Strikeout

Play By Play

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Inn Score Out RoB Pit(cnt) R/O @Bat Batter Pitcher wWPA wWE Play Description
Top of the 1st, Cubs Batting, Tied 0-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 1-2-3
t1 0-0 0 --- O CHC B. Ott B. Miller 2% 52% Groundout: 1B-P
t1 0-0 1 --- CHC K. Hubbs B. Miller -2% 50% Walk
t1 0-0 1 1-- O CHC E. Banks B. Miller 3% 53% Strikeout
t1 0-0 2 1-- CHC B. Williams B. Miller -1% 51% Wild Pitch; Hubbs to 3B
t1 0-0 2 --3 CHC B. Williams B. Miller -1% 50% Walk
t1 0-0 2 1-3 R CHC N. Mathews B. Miller -9% 41% Single to LF (Line Drive); Williams to 2B; Hubbs Scores
t1 1-0 2 12- O CHC R. Santo B. Miller 4% 45% Groundout: 3B unassisted/Forceout at 3B
1 run, 1 hit, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 1st, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 1-2-3
b1 0-1 0 --- NYM E. Chacon G. Gerberman 4% 48% Walk
b1 0-1 0 1-- NYM C. Coleman G. Gerberman 11% 59% Double to RF; Chacon to 3B
b1 0-1 0 -23 O NYM J. Christopher G. Gerberman -6% 54% Popfly: 2B
b1 0-1 1 -23 OO NYM F. Thomas G. Gerberman -14% 40% Double Play: Fielder's Choice 3B; Chacon out at Hm/3B-C-3B; Coleman out at 3B/3B-2B-C-SS
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Top of the 2nd, Cubs Batting, Ahead 1-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 7-8-9
t2 1-0 0 --- O CHC A. Grammas B. Miller 2% 42% Flyball: LF
t2 1-0 1 --- O CHC C. Barragan B. Miller 1% 43% Strikeout
t2 1-0 2 --- O CHC G. Gerberman B. Miller 1% 44% Popfly: 1B
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 2nd, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 5-6-7
b2 0-1 0 --- O NYM E. Kranepool G. Gerberman -3% 42% Groundout: P-1B
b2 0-1 1 --- O NYM S. Drake G. Gerberman -2% 40% Lineout: 1B
b2 0-1 2 --- O NYM J. Hickman G. Gerberman -1% 39% Strikeout
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Top of the 3rd, Cubs Batting, Ahead 1-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 1-2-3
t3 1-0 0 --- O CHC B. Ott B. Miller 2% 41% Groundout: 1B unassisted
t3 1-0 1 --- O CHC K. Hubbs B. Miller 2% 42% Groundout: 2B-1B
t3 1-0 2 --- O CHC E. Banks B. Miller 1% 44% Popfly: 1B
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 3rd, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 8-9-1
b3 0-1 0 --- O NYM R. Kanehl G. Gerberman -3% 41% Groundout: SS-1B
b3 0-1 1 --- O NYM B. Miller G. Gerberman -2% 39% Flyball: CF
b3 0-1 2 --- NYM E. Chacon G. Gerberman 2% 40% Walk
b3 0-1 2 1-- O NYM C. Coleman G. Gerberman -3% 38% Flyball: LF
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Top of the 4th, Cubs Batting, Ahead 1-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 4-5-6
t4 1-0 0 --- CHC B. Williams B. Miller -4% 34% Single to CF
t4 1-0 0 1-- O CHC N. Mathews B. Miller 3% 37% Strikeout
t4 1-0 1 1-- O CHC R. Santo B. Miller 3% 40% Strikeout Looking
t4 1-0 2 1-- CHC A. Grammas B. Miller -1% 39% Passed Ball; Williams to 2B
t4 1-0 2 -2- O CHC A. Grammas B. Miller 3% 43% Strikeout
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 4th, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 3-4-5
b4 0-1 0 --- O NYM J. Christopher G. Gerberman -3% 40% Flyball: CF
b4 0-1 1 --- NYM F. Thomas G. Gerberman 3% 43% Walk
b4 0-1 1 1-- NYM E. Kranepool G. Gerberman 5% 48% Reached on E1 (throw) (Ground Ball); Thomas to 2B
b4 0-1 1 12- O NYM S. Drake G. Gerberman -4% 44% Groundout: 1B unassisted; Kranepool to 2B; Thomas to 3B
b4 0-1 2 -23 O NYM J. Hickman G. Gerberman -8% 36% Popfly: RF
0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Top of the 5th, Cubs Batting, Ahead 1-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 8-9-1
t5 1-0 0 --- O CHC C. Barragan B. Miller 2% 38% Strikeout
t5 1-0 1 --- CHC G. Gerberman B. Miller -3% 36% Walk
t5 1-0 1 1-- O CHC B. Ott B. Miller 3% 39% Flyball: CF
t5 1-0 2 1-- O CHC K. Hubbs B. Miller 3% 41% Flyball: RF
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 5th, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 8-9-1
b5 0-1 0 --- O NYM R. Kanehl G. Gerberman -3% 38% Flyball: CF
b5 0-1 1 --- NYM B. Miller G. Gerberman 4% 42% Walk
b5 0-1 1 1-- NYM E. Chacon G. Gerberman 5% 47% Walk; Miller to 2B
b5 0-1 1 12- O NYM C. Coleman G. Gerberman -7% 40% Popfly: SS
b5 0-1 2 12- O NYM J. Christopher G. Gerberman -7% 34% Foul Flyball: 1B
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Top of the 6th, Cubs Batting, Ahead 1-0, Mets' Bob Miller facing 3-4-5
t6 1-0 0 --- O CHC E. Banks B. Miller 2% 36% Flyball: CF
t6 1-0 1 --- O CHC B. Williams B. Miller 2% 38% Groundout: P-1B
t6 1-0 2 --- O CHC N. Mathews B. Miller 1% 39% Popfly: SS
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 0.
Bottom of the 6th, Mets Batting, Behind 0-1, Cubs' George Gerberman facing 4-5-6
b6 0-1 0 --- R NYM F. Thomas G. Gerberman 18% 58% Home Run
b6 1-1 0 --- O NYM E. Kranepool G. Gerberman -3% 54% Groundout: 2B-1B
b6 1-1 1 --- NYM S. Drake G. Gerberman 4% 58% Single to 2B
Freddie Burdette replaces George Gerberman pitching and batting 9th
b6 1-1 1 1-- O NYM J. Hickman F. Burdette -2% 55% Groundout: 3B-2B/Forceout at 2B; Hickman to 2B/Adv on E4 (throw)
b6 1-1 2 -2- NYM R. Kanehl F. Burdette 1% 56% Intentional Walk
b6 1-1 2 12- O NYM B. Miller F. Burdette -6% 50% Groundout: SS-2B/Forceout at 2B
1 run, 2 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Top of the 7th, Cubs Batting, Tied 1-1, Mets' Bob Miller facing 6-7-8
t7 1-1 0 --- O CHC R. Santo B. Miller 4% 54% Groundout: 1B unassisted
t7 1-1 1 --- CHC A. Grammas B. Miller -4% 50% Reached on E6 (Ground Ball)
George Altman pinch hits for Cuno Barragan (C) batting 8th
t7 1-1 1 1-- O CHC G. Altman B. Miller 5% 55% Strikeout
Danny Murphy pinch hits for Freddie Burdette (P) batting 9th
t7 1-1 2 1-- O CHC D. Murphy B. Miller 4% 59% Strikeout
0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Bottom of the 7th, Mets Batting, Tied 1-1, Cubs' Don Elston facing 1-2-3
Don Elston replaces Danny Murphy (PH) pitching and batting 9th
Dick Bertell replaces George Altman (PH) playing C batting 8th
b7 1-1 0 --- O NYM E. Chacon D. Elston -4% 55% Strikeout
b7 1-1 1 --- NYM C. Coleman D. Elston 4% 59% Reached on E4 (Ground Ball)
b7 1-1 1 1-- OO NYM J. Christopher D. Elston -9% 50% Line Drive Double Play: P-1B
0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Top of the 8th, Cubs Batting, Tied 1-1, Mets' Bob Miller facing 1-2-3
t8 1-1 0 --- O CHC B. Ott B. Miller 5% 55% Foul Flyball: C
t8 1-1 1 --- O CHC K. Hubbs B. Miller 3% 58% Strikeout
t8 1-1 2 --- O CHC E. Banks B. Miller 3% 61% Flyball: LF
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Bottom of the 8th, Mets Batting, Tied 1-1, Cubs' Don Elston facing 4-5-6
b8 1-1 0 --- O NYM F. Thomas D. Elston -5% 56% Strikeout
b8 1-1 1 --- NYM E. Kranepool D. Elston 9% 65% Double to LF
Rick Herrscher pinch runs for Ed Kranepool (1B) batting 5th
b8 1-1 1 -2- NYM S. Drake D. Elston 2% 67% Intentional Walk
b8 1-1 1 12- NYM J. Hickman D. Elston 10% 77% Walk; Herrscher to 3B; Drake to 2B
Jim Brewer replaces Don Elston pitching and batting 9th
Marv Throneberry pinch hits for Rod Kanehl (2B) batting 8th
Felix Mantilla pinch hits for Marv Throneberry batting 8th
b8 1-1 1 123 O NYM F. Mantilla J. Brewer -14% 63% Foul Flyball: 3B
Gil Hodges pinch hits for Bob Miller (P) batting 9th
b8 1-1 2 123 O NYM G. Hodges J. Brewer -13% 50% Strikeout
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 3 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Top of the 9th, Cubs Batting, Tied 1-1, Mets' Roger Craig facing 4-5-6
Roger Craig replaces Rick Herrscher (PR) pitching and batting 5th
Gil Hodges moves from PH to 1B
Felix Mantilla moves from PH to 2B
t9 1-1 0 --- CHC B. Williams R. Craig -8% 42% Single to RF
t9 1-1 0 1-- O CHC N. Mathews R. Craig 2% 44% Bunt Groundout: P-2B/Sacrifice; Williams to 2B
t9 1-1 1 -2- O CHC R. Santo R. Craig 9% 54% Groundout: SS-1B
Bob Will pinch hits for Alex Grammas (SS) batting 7th
t9 1-1 2 -2- O CHC B. Will R. Craig 10% 64% Groundout: P-1B
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 1.
Bottom of the 9th, Mets Batting, Tied 1-1, Cubs' Jim Brewer facing 1-2-3
Andre Rodgers replaces Bob Will (PH) playing SS batting 7th
b9 1-1 0 --- O NYM E. Chacon J. Brewer -6% 58% Groundout: 3B-1B
b9 1-1 1 --- NYM C. Coleman J. Brewer 12% 70% Double to RF
Bob Anderson replaces Jim Brewer pitching and batting 9th
b9 1-1 1 -2- O NYM J. Christopher B. Anderson -9% 61% Groundout: SS-1B
b9 1-1 2 -2- NYM F. Thomas B. Anderson 2% 63% Wild Pitch; Coleman to 3B
b9 1-1 2 --3 R NYM F. Thomas B. Anderson 37% 100% Single to LF; Coleman Scores
1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Mets 2.

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