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| First game of doubleheader, see Second game.
Cleveland Stadium, Attendance: Not Given |
Sunday, August 15, 1965 Time of Game: 2:30 |
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Twins
4
75-42
Won 1
1st
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
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Twins 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 4 7 0
Indians 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 8 0
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Indians
3
65-50
Lost 1
2nd, 8 GB
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Batting Stats
Minnesota Twins AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details Z Versalles SS 4 1 1 0 0 1 .242 .715 1 4 S Valdespino LF 4 1 2 0 0 0 .282 .659 4 0 CS T Oliva RF 4 0 0 0 0 2 .306 .840 2 0 D Mincher 1B 4 1 1 2 0 0 .274 .941 13 1 2B J Hall CF 4 1 2 1 0 1 .301 .853 2 0 2B E Battey C 3 0 1 1 1 0 .311 .847 3 1 R Rollins 3B 3 0 0 0 1 0 .252 .646 0 2 J Kindall 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .196 .572 0 0 F Quilici 2B 4 0 0 0 0 3 .211 .521 2 4 M Grant P 3 0 0 0 0 2 .152 .475 0 2 A Worthington P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .347 0 0 Totals 33 4 7 0 2 9 27 14
Batting Events
2B: J Hall (20, off L Tiant); D Mincher (13, off B Tiefenauer).
TB: J Hall 3; S Valdespino 2; D Mincher 2; E Battey; Z Versalles.
RBI: D Mincher 2 (40); E Battey (44); J Hall (70).
Team LOB: 4.
With RISP: 3 for 8.
Fielding Events
DP: 3. R Rollins-F Quilici-D Mincher; Z Versalles-F Quilici-D Mincher; F Quilici-D Mincher-Z Versalles-D Mincher.
Baserunning Events
CS: S Valdespino (3, 2nd base by L Tiant POCS).
Cleveland Indians AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details L Brown SS 4 0 0 0 0 0 .269 .713 0 1 V Davalillo CF 2 1 1 0 2 0 .302 .726 3 0 L Wagner LF 3 1 1 2 1 0 .285 .835 4 0 HR R Colavito RF 4 1 1 0 0 0 .288 .881 2 0 2B,2·GDP F Whitfield 1B 4 0 1 0 0 0 .293 .816 4 4 M Alvis 3B 4 0 2 0 0 1 .277 .800 0 0 J Azcue C 3 0 0 0 0 0 .228 .561 6 1 B Tiefenauer P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .333 0 0 D McMahon P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .400 .800 0 0 C Hinton PH 1 0 1 1 0 0 .262 .810 0 0 P Gonzalez 2B 4 0 1 0 0 0 .274 .702 3 1 L Tiant P 2 0 0 0 0 1 .096 .283 2 1 A Luplow PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 .182 .583 0 0 P Roof C 0 0 0 0 0 0 .156 .313 3 0 Totals 32 3 8 0 3 2 27 8
Batting Events
2B: R Colavito (17, off A Worthington).
HR: L Wagner (21, off M Grant; 9th inn, 1 on, 0 outs to LF).
TB: L Wagner 4; M Alvis 2; R Colavito 2; C Hinton; F Whitfield; P Gonzalez; V Davalillo.
GIDP: R Colavito 2 (12).
RBI: L Wagner 2 (56); C Hinton (44).
2-out RBI: C Hinton.
Team LOB: 5.
With RISP: 2 for 7.
Pitching Stats
Minnesota Twins IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA M Grant, W (15-4) 8 6 2 2 3 1 1 3.64 30 - · · 11· 9· 1· 6 60 - 1.45 0.54 A Worthington, S (15) 1 2 1 1 0 1 0 2.08 5 - · · 1· 1· 0· 2 0-0 2.74 0.08 Totals 9 8 3 3 3 2 1 35 - · · 12·10· 1· 8 -
M Grant faced 2 batters in the 9th inning.
Cleveland Indians IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA L Tiant, L (10-6) 8 3 1 1 1 7 0 3.15 27 - · · 5·11· 2· 3 78 - 0.84 0.26 B Tiefenauer 0.1 3 3 3 0 1 0 4.99 4 - · · 0· 0· 0· 3 0-0 1.10 -0.12 D McMahon 0.2 1 0 0 1 1 0 4.01 4 - · · 1· 0· 0· 1 1-1 0.15 -0.01 Totals 9 7 4 4 2 9 0 35 - · · 6·11· 2· 7 1-1
Balks: None.
WP: D McMahon (7).
HBP: None.
IBB: None.
Pickoffs: L Tiant (2; S Valdespino, 2nd base (CS)).
Other Info
Umpires:
HP - Ed Runge, 1B - Al Salerno, 2B - Bob Stewart, 3B - Joe Paparella.
Time of Game: 2:30.
Attendance: 0.
Field Condition: Unknown.
Start Time Weather: Unknown.
Lineups
Minnesota Twins Cleveland Indians 1. Zoilo Versalles SS 1. Larry Brown SS 2. Sandy Valdespino LF 2. Vic Davalillo CF 3. Tony Oliva RF 3. Leon Wagner LF 4. Don Mincher 1B 4. Rocky Colavito RF 5. Jimmie Hall CF 5. Fred Whitfield 1B 6. Earl Battey C 6. Max Alvis 3B 7. Rich Rollins 3B 7. Joe Azcue C 8. Frank Quilici 2B 8. Pedro Gonzalez 2B 9. Mudcat Grant P 9. Luis Tiant P
Top 5 Plays
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| t9 | 1 | 12- | RR | 10% | 97% | 1-0 | MIN | D. Mincher | B. Tiefenauer | Double to RF; Versalles Scores; Valdespino Scores | |
| b9 | 0 | --- | -10% | 82% | 2-4 | CLE | R. Colavito | A. Worthington | Double to LF | ||
| t2 | 1 | -2- | R | 9% | 62% | 0-0 | MIN | E. Battey | L. Tiant | Single to CF; Hall Scores | |
| b6 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 9% | 71% | 0-1 | CLE | R. Colavito | M. Grant | Ground Ball Double Play: 3B-2B-1B | |
| b9 | 2 | 1-- | O | 9% | 100% | 3-4 | CLE | P. Gonzalez | A. Worthington | Flyball: SS |
Play By Play
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · Box Score Explanation · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| Top of the 1st, Twins Batting, Tied 0-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t1 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 48% | 0-0 | MIN | Z. Versalles | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| t1 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 46% | 0-0 | MIN | S. Valdespino | L. Tiant | Flyball: LF | |
| t1 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 45% | 0-0 | MIN | T. Oliva | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 0, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 1st, Indians Batting, Tied 0-0, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| b1 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 48% | 0-0 | CLE | L. Brown | M. Grant | Foul Flyball: C | |
| b1 | 1 | --- | -3% | 45% | 0-0 | CLE | V. Davalillo | M. Grant | Single to CF | ||
| b1 | 1 | 1-- | O | 3% | 48% | 0-0 | CLE | L. Wagner | M. Grant | Flyball: RF | |
| b1 | 2 | 1-- | O | 2% | 50% | 0-0 | CLE | R. Colavito | M. Grant | Flyball: LF | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Twins 0, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 2nd, Twins Batting, Tied 0-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t2 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 48% | 0-0 | MIN | D. Mincher | L. Tiant | Groundout: 1B-P | |
| t2 | 1 | --- | 4% | 52% | 0-0 | MIN | J. Hall | L. Tiant | Double to LF | ||
| t2 | 1 | -2- | R | 9% | 62% | 0-0 | MIN | E. Battey | L. Tiant | Single to CF; Hall Scores | |
| t2 | 1 | 1-- | 3% | 65% | 1-0 | MIN | R. Rollins | L. Tiant | Walk; Battey to 2B | ||
| t2 | 1 | 12- | O | -4% | 61% | 1-0 | MIN | F. Quilici | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| t2 | 2 | 12- | O | -4% | 57% | 1-0 | MIN | M. Grant | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 2nd, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| b2 | 0 | --- | -4% | 53% | 0-1 | CLE | F. Whitfield | M. Grant | Single to RF | ||
| b2 | 0 | 1-- | -7% | 46% | 0-1 | CLE | M. Alvis | M. Grant | Single to LF; Whitfield to 2B | ||
| b2 | 0 | 12- | O | 6% | 53% | 0-1 | CLE | J. Azcue | M. Grant | Flyball: LF | |
| b2 | 1 | 12- | -7% | 45% | 0-1 | CLE | P. Gonzalez | M. Grant | Single to RF; Whitfield to 3B; Alvis to 2B | ||
| b2 | 1 | 123 | O | 9% | 54% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Tiant | M. Grant | Strikeout | |
| b2 | 2 | 123 | O | 8% | 62% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Brown | M. Grant | Flyball: CF | |
| 0 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, 3 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 3rd, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t3 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 60% | 1-0 | MIN | Z. Versalles | L. Tiant | Lineout: 2B | |
| t3 | 1 | --- | 2% | 63% | 1-0 | MIN | S. Valdespino | L. Tiant | Single to CF | ||
| t3 | 1 | 1-- | O | -4% | 59% | 1-0 | MIN | T. Oliva | L. Tiant | Valdespino Caught Stealing (PO) 2B (P-1B-2B) | |
| t3 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 58% | 1-0 | MIN | T. Oliva | L. Tiant | Groundout: 1B-P | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 3rd, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| b3 | 0 | --- | O | 3% | 60% | 0-1 | CLE | V. Davalillo | M. Grant | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| b3 | 1 | --- | -3% | 57% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Wagner | M. Grant | Walk | ||
| b3 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 6% | 64% | 0-1 | CLE | R. Colavito | M. Grant | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 4th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t4 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 61% | 1-0 | MIN | D. Mincher | L. Tiant | Flyball: RF | |
| t4 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 60% | 1-0 | MIN | J. Hall | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| t4 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 59% | 1-0 | MIN | E. Battey | L. Tiant | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 4th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| b4 | 0 | --- | O | 3% | 62% | 0-1 | CLE | F. Whitfield | M. Grant | Lineout: CF | |
| b4 | 1 | --- | -3% | 59% | 0-1 | CLE | M. Alvis | M. Grant | Single to CF | ||
| b4 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 7% | 65% | 0-1 | CLE | J. Azcue | M. Grant | Double Play: Groundout: 2B-1B-SS-1B | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 5th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 7-8-9 | |||||||||||
| t5 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 63% | 1-0 | MIN | R. Rollins | L. Tiant | Flyball: LF | |
| t5 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 62% | 1-0 | MIN | F. Quilici | L. Tiant | Strikeout Looking | |
| t5 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 60% | 1-0 | MIN | M. Grant | L. Tiant | Lineout: CF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 5th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| b5 | 0 | --- | O | 3% | 64% | 0-1 | CLE | P. Gonzalez | M. Grant | Flyball: LF | |
| b5 | 1 | --- | O | 2% | 66% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Tiant | M. Grant | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| b5 | 2 | --- | O | 2% | 68% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Brown | M. Grant | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 6th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t6 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 65% | 1-0 | MIN | Z. Versalles | L. Tiant | Flyball: 2B | |
| t6 | 1 | --- | O | -2% | 64% | 1-0 | MIN | S. Valdespino | L. Tiant | Groundout: 1B unassisted | |
| t6 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 63% | 1-0 | MIN | T. Oliva | L. Tiant | Flyball: LF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 6th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| b6 | 0 | --- | -6% | 56% | 0-1 | CLE | V. Davalillo | M. Grant | Walk | ||
| b6 | 0 | 1-- | O | 6% | 62% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Wagner | M. Grant | Flyball: LF | |
| b6 | 1 | 1-- | OO | 9% | 71% | 0-1 | CLE | R. Colavito | M. Grant | Ground Ball Double Play: 3B-2B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 7th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t7 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 69% | 1-0 | MIN | D. Mincher | L. Tiant | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t7 | 1 | --- | O | -2% | 67% | 1-0 | MIN | J. Hall | L. Tiant | Flyball: CF | |
| t7 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 66% | 1-0 | MIN | E. Battey | L. Tiant | Flyball: RF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 7th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| b7 | 0 | --- | O | 5% | 71% | 0-1 | CLE | F. Whitfield | M. Grant | Groundout: P-1B | |
| b7 | 1 | --- | O | 3% | 74% | 0-1 | CLE | M. Alvis | M. Grant | Groundout: 1B unassisted | |
| b7 | 2 | --- | O | 2% | 76% | 0-1 | CLE | J. Azcue | M. Grant | Flyball: RF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 8th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Luis Tiant facing 7-8-9 | |||||||||||
| t8 | 0 | --- | O | -2% | 74% | 1-0 | MIN | R. Rollins | L. Tiant | Flyball: CF | |
| t8 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 73% | 1-0 | MIN | F. Quilici | L. Tiant | Flyball: LF | |
| t8 | 2 | --- | O | -1% | 72% | 1-0 | MIN | M. Grant | L. Tiant | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 8th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-1, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| b8 | 0 | --- | O | 6% | 78% | 0-1 | CLE | P. Gonzalez | M. Grant | Groundout: P-1B | |
| Al Luplow pinch hits for Luis Tiant (P) batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b8 | 1 | --- | O | 4% | 82% | 0-1 | CLE | A. Luplow | M. Grant | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| b8 | 2 | --- | O | 3% | 85% | 0-1 | CLE | L. Brown | M. Grant | Groundout: C-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Twins 1, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 9th, Twins Batting, Ahead 1-0, Indians' Bobby Tiefenauer facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| Bobby Tiefenauer replaces Joe Azcue (C) pitching and batting 7th; Phil Roof replaces Al Luplow (PH) playing C batting 9th | |||||||||||
| t9 | 0 | --- | 2% | 87% | 1-0 | MIN | Z. Versalles | B. Tiefenauer | Single to CF | ||
| t9 | 0 | 1-- | 3% | 90% | 1-0 | MIN | S. Valdespino | B. Tiefenauer | Single; Versalles to 2B | ||
| t9 | 0 | 12- | O | -3% | 87% | 1-0 | MIN | T. Oliva | B. Tiefenauer | Strikeout | |
| t9 | 1 | 12- | RR | 10% | 97% | 1-0 | MIN | D. Mincher | B. Tiefenauer | Double to RF; Versalles Scores; Valdespino Scores | |
| Don McMahon replaces Bobby Tiefenauer pitching and batting 7th | |||||||||||
| t9 | 1 | -2- | R | 1% | 99% | 3-0 | MIN | J. Hall | D. McMahon | Single to RF; Mincher Scores | |
| t9 | 1 | 1-- | 0% | 99% | 4-0 | MIN | E. Battey | D. McMahon | Walk; Hall to 2B | ||
| t9 | 1 | 12- | 0% | 99% | 4-0 | MIN | R. Rollins | D. McMahon | Wild Pitch; Hall to 3B; Battey to 2B | ||
| t9 | 1 | -23 | O | -0% | 99% | 4-0 | MIN | R. Rollins | D. McMahon | Fielder's Choice 1B; Hall out at Hm/1B-C; Battey to 3B | |
| t9 | 2 | 1-3 | O | -0% | 99% | 4-0 | MIN | F. Quilici | D. McMahon | Strikeout | |
| 3 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Twins 4, Indians 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 9th, Indians Batting, Behind 0-4, Twins' Mudcat Grant facing 2-3-4 | |||||||||||
| Jerry Kindall replaces Rich Rollins playing 3B batting 7th | |||||||||||
| b9 | 0 | --- | -2% | 97% | 0-4 | CLE | V. Davalillo | M. Grant | Walk | ||
| b9 | 0 | 1-- | RR | -5% | 92% | 0-4 | CLE | L. Wagner | M. Grant | Home Run; Davalillo Scores | |
| Al Worthington replaces Mudcat Grant pitching and batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b9 | 0 | --- | -10% | 82% | 2-4 | CLE | R. Colavito | A. Worthington | Double to LF | ||
| b9 | 0 | -2- | O | 7% | 89% | 2-4 | CLE | F. Whitfield | A. Worthington | Groundout: 1B unassisted; Colavito to 3B | |
| b9 | 1 | --3 | O | 7% | 96% | 2-4 | CLE | M. Alvis | A. Worthington | Strikeout | |
| Chuck Hinton pinch hits for Don McMahon (P) batting 7th | |||||||||||
| b9 | 2 | --3 | R | -5% | 91% | 2-4 | CLE | C. Hinton | A. Worthington | Single; Colavito Scores | |
| b9 | 2 | 1-- | O | 9% | 100% | 3-4 | CLE | P. Gonzalez | A. Worthington | Flyball: SS | |
| 3 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Twins 4, Indians 3. | |||||||||||
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