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Cinergy Field, Attendance: 10,881 |
Thursday, August 9, 1984 Time of Game: 2:11 |
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Padres
0
67-46
Lost 3
1st
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
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Padres 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 1
Reds 3 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 X 8 7 0
W: Jeff Russell (5-12), L: Tim Lollar (9-10) |
Reds
8
49-65
Won 3
5th, 18½ GB
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Batting Stats
San Diego Padres AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details A Wiggins 2B 2 0 0 0 1 1 .247 .636 0 0 B Brown RF 1 0 1 0 0 0 .255 .689 1 0 T Gwynn RF 3 0 1 0 0 0 .369 .908 1 0 M Ramirez SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 .154 .664 2 3 GDP S Garvey 1B 3 0 0 0 0 1 .286 .690 3 0 K Bevacqua 1B 1 0 0 0 0 0 .242 .723 4 1 K McReynolds CF 4 0 1 0 0 0 .283 .826 1 0 C Martinez LF 3 0 0 0 1 0 .244 .739 3 1 T Flannery 3B-2B 2 0 1 0 2 0 .297 .785 2 4 G Templeton SS 2 0 0 0 0 1 .270 .663 1 0 L Salazar 3B 2 0 0 0 0 0 .258 .615 0 1 B Bochy C 4 0 0 0 0 0 .227 .557 5 0 T Lollar P 1 0 0 0 1 0 .231 .709 0 0 C Summers PH 1 0 1 0 0 0 .214 .695 0 0 G Booker P 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 1 0 T Kennedy PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 .234 .634 0 0 Totals 31 0 5 0 5 3 24 10
Batting Events
TB: T Gwynn; K McReynolds; B Brown; C Summers; T Flannery.
GIDP: M Ramirez (1).
Team LOB: 9.
With RISP: 0 for 3.
Fielding Events
DP: 1. K Bevacqua-M Ramirez-G Booker.
E: A Wiggins (21).
Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO BA OPS Pit Str PO A Details G Redus LF 2 2 1 0 3 0 .263 .732 3 0 SB R Oester 2B 4 2 1 1 1 1 .237 .580 1 4 GDP E Davis CF-RF 2 1 0 0 2 1 .210 .683 2 0 D Parker RF 4 2 2 5 0 0 .282 .727 0 0 HR E Milner CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .257 .751 2 0 D Concepcion 3B 2 0 0 0 2 0 .243 .629 1 1 N Esasky 1B 4 0 1 1 0 0 .197 .651 12 0 D Van Gorder C 4 0 0 0 0 1 .176 .446 3 0 T Foley SS 4 1 2 0 0 0 .230 .650 3 6 J Russell P 4 0 0 0 0 2 .146 .388 0 2 Totals 30 8 7 0 8 5 27 13
Batting Events
HR: D Parker (11, off T Lollar; 2nd inn, 3 on, 2 outs).
TB: D Parker 5; T Foley 2; R Oester; N Esasky; G Redus.
GIDP: R Oester (12).
RBI: D Parker 5 (62); N Esasky (36); R Oester (23).
2-out RBI: D Parker 4; R Oester.
Team LOB: 6.
With RISP: 4 for 8.
Fielding Events
DP: 1. T Foley-N Esasky.
Baserunning Events
SB: G Redus (39, 2nd base off T Lollar/B Bochy).
Pitching Stats
San Diego Padres IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA T Lollar, L (9-10) 6 6 8 7 7 5 1 3.71 31 - · · 6· 7· 0· 6 28 - 0.38 -0.37 G Booker 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 2.45 7 - · · 3· 2· 0· 1 0-0 0.00 0.00 Totals 8 7 8 7 8 5 1 38 - · · 9· 9· 0· 7 -
Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BF Pit-Str Ct·Sw·Lk GB·FB·LD· ? GmSc IR-IS LevI WPA J Russell, W (5-12) 9 5 0 0 5 3 0 3.54 36 - · · 12·11· 0· 5 75 - 0.23 0.13 Totals 9 5 0 0 5 3 0 36 - · · 12·11· 0· 5 -
Balks: None.
WP: T Lollar (8).
HBP: None.
IBB: None.
Pickoffs: None.
Other Info
Umpires:
HP - Bruce Froemming, 1B - Jim Quick, 2B - Gerry Davis, 3B - Lanny Harris.
Time of Game: 2:11.
Attendance: 10,881.
Field Condition: Unknown.
Start Time Weather: Unknown.
Lineups
San Diego Padres Cincinnati Reds 1. Alan Wiggins 2B 1. Gary Redus LF 2. Tony Gwynn RF 2. Ron Oester 2B 3. Steve Garvey 1B 3. Eric Davis CF 4. Kevin McReynolds CF 4. Dave Parker RF 5. Carmelo Martinez LF 5. Dave Concepcion 3B 6. Tim Flannery 3B 6. Nick Esasky 1B 7. Garry Templeton SS 7. Dave Van Gorder C 8. Bruce Bochy C 8. Tom Foley SS 9. Tim Lollar P 9. Jeff Russell P
Top 5 Plays
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| b2 | 2 | 123 | RRRR | 13% | 97% | 3-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Home Run; Redus Scores; Oester Scores; Davis Scores | |
| b1 | 0 | 1-- | R | 12% | 70% | 0-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Reached on E4 (Ground Ball); Redus Scores/No RBI; Oester to 2B | |
| b1 | 1 | -2- | R | 8% | 74% | 1-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Single; Oester Scores/unER | |
| b1 | 1 | 12- | RO | 4% | 81% | 2-0 | CIN | N. Esasky | T. Lollar | Single; Parker Scores; Concepcion out at 3B/LF-SS; Esasky to 2B/Adv on throw to 3B | |
| b1 | 0 | -2- | O | -4% | 67% | 1-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Strikeout |
Play By Play
Glossary · Click headers to sort · CSV · PRE · View Pitches · Box Score Explanation · wWE and wWPA Explanation| Inn | Out | RoB | R/O | Pit(cnt) | wWPA | wWE | Score | @Bat | Batter | Pitcher | Play Description |
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| Top of the 1st, Padres Batting, Tied 0-0, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| t1 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 52% | 0-0 | SDP | A. Wiggins | J. Russell | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t1 | 1 | --- | O | 2% | 54% | 0-0 | SDP | T. Gwynn | J. Russell | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t1 | 2 | --- | O | 1% | 55% | 0-0 | SDP | S. Garvey | J. Russell | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 0. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 1st, Reds Batting, Tied 0-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 1-2-3 | |||||||||||
| b1 | 0 | --- | 4% | 58% | 0-0 | CIN | G. Redus | T. Lollar | Single | ||
| b1 | 0 | 1-- | R | 12% | 70% | 0-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Reached on E4 (Ground Ball); Redus Scores/No RBI; Oester to 2B | |
| b1 | 0 | -2- | O | -4% | 67% | 1-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Strikeout | |
| b1 | 1 | -2- | R | 8% | 74% | 1-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Single; Oester Scores/unER | |
| b1 | 1 | 1-- | 2% | 77% | 2-0 | CIN | D. Concepcion | T. Lollar | Walk; Parker to 2B | ||
| b1 | 1 | 12- | RO | 4% | 81% | 2-0 | CIN | N. Esasky | T. Lollar | Single; Parker Scores; Concepcion out at 3B/LF-SS; Esasky to 2B/Adv on throw to 3B | |
| b1 | 2 | -2- | O | -2% | 79% | 3-0 | CIN | D. Van Gorder | T. Lollar | Flyball: RF | |
| 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 3. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 2nd, Padres Batting, Behind 0-3, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t2 | 0 | --- | O | 2% | 81% | 0-3 | SDP | K. McReynolds | J. Russell | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| t2 | 1 | --- | O | 1% | 82% | 0-3 | SDP | C. Martinez | J. Russell | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t2 | 2 | --- | -1% | 81% | 0-3 | SDP | T. Flannery | J. Russell | Walk | ||
| t2 | 2 | 1-- | O | 2% | 83% | 0-3 | SDP | G. Templeton | J. Russell | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 3. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 2nd, Reds Batting, Ahead 3-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| b2 | 0 | --- | O | -1% | 82% | 3-0 | CIN | T. Foley | T. Lollar | Flyball: LF | |
| b2 | 1 | --- | O | -1% | 81% | 3-0 | CIN | J. Russell | T. Lollar | Strikeout | |
| b2 | 2 | --- | 1% | 82% | 3-0 | CIN | G. Redus | T. Lollar | Walk | ||
| b2 | 2 | 1-- | 1% | 82% | 3-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Redus Steals 2B | ||
| b2 | 2 | -2- | 0% | 83% | 3-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Walk | ||
| b2 | 2 | 12- | 1% | 84% | 3-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Walk; Redus to 3B; Oester to 2B | ||
| b2 | 2 | 123 | RRRR | 13% | 97% | 3-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Home Run; Redus Scores; Oester Scores; Davis Scores | |
| b2 | 2 | --- | O | -0% | 97% | 7-0 | CIN | D. Concepcion | T. Lollar | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| 4 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 3rd, Padres Batting, Behind 0-7, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| t3 | 0 | --- | O | 1% | 97% | 0-7 | SDP | B. Bochy | J. Russell | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| t3 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Lollar | J. Russell | Groundout: P-SS-1B | |
| t3 | 2 | --- | -0% | 97% | 0-7 | SDP | A. Wiggins | J. Russell | Walk | ||
| t3 | 2 | 1-- | -1% | 97% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Gwynn | J. Russell | Single; Wiggins to 3B | ||
| t3 | 2 | 1-3 | O | 1% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | S. Garvey | J. Russell | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 3rd, Reds Batting, Ahead 7-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 6-7-8 | |||||||||||
| b3 | 0 | --- | O | -0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | N. Esasky | T. Lollar | Flyball: CF | |
| b3 | 1 | --- | O | -0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | D. Van Gorder | T. Lollar | Strikeout | |
| b3 | 2 | --- | O | -0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | T. Foley | T. Lollar | Flyball: LF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 4th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-7, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 4-5-6 | |||||||||||
| t4 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | K. McReynolds | J. Russell | Flyball: 3B | |
| t4 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | C. Martinez | J. Russell | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| t4 | 2 | --- | -0% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Flannery | J. Russell | Walk | ||
| t4 | 2 | 1-- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | G. Templeton | J. Russell | Flyball: 1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 4th, Reds Batting, Ahead 7-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 9-1-2 | |||||||||||
| b4 | 0 | --- | O | -0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | J. Russell | T. Lollar | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| b4 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | G. Redus | T. Lollar | Flyball: 3B | |
| b4 | 2 | --- | O | -0% | 98% | 7-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Strikeout | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 5th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-7, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| t5 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | B. Bochy | J. Russell | Flyball: SS | |
| t5 | 1 | --- | -0% | 98% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Lollar | J. Russell | Walk | ||
| t5 | 1 | 1-- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | A. Wiggins | J. Russell | Strikeout | |
| t5 | 2 | 1-- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Gwynn | J. Russell | Flyball: LF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 5th, Reds Batting, Ahead 7-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 3-4-5 | |||||||||||
| Tim Flannery moves from 3B to 2B; Luis Salazar replaces Garry Templeton (SS) playing 3B batting 7th; Mario Ramirez replaces Tony Gwynn (RF) playing SS batting 2nd; Bobby Brown replaces Alan Wiggins (2B) playing RF batting 1st | |||||||||||
| b5 | 0 | --- | O | -0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Flyball: LF | |
| b5 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| b5 | 2 | --- | 0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | D. Concepcion | T. Lollar | Walk | ||
| b5 | 2 | 1-- | O | -0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | N. Esasky | T. Lollar | Flyball: RF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 6th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-7, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 3-4-5 | |||||||||||
| t6 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | S. Garvey | J. Russell | Flyball: CF | |
| t6 | 1 | --- | -0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | K. McReynolds | J. Russell | Single | ||
| t6 | 1 | 1-- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | C. Martinez | J. Russell | Flyball: LF | |
| t6 | 2 | 1-- | -0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | T. Flannery | J. Russell | Single; McReynolds to 2B | ||
| t6 | 2 | 12- | O | 0% | 99% | 0-7 | SDP | L. Salazar | J. Russell | Groundout: SS-2B/Forceout at 2B | |
| 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 7. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 6th, Reds Batting, Ahead 7-0, Padres' Tim Lollar facing 7-8-9 | |||||||||||
| Kurt Bevacqua replaces Steve Garvey playing 1B batting 3rd | |||||||||||
| b6 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | D. Van Gorder | T. Lollar | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| b6 | 1 | --- | 0% | 100% | 7-0 | CIN | T. Foley | T. Lollar | Single | ||
| b6 | 1 | 1-- | O | -0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | J. Russell | T. Lollar | Strikeout | |
| b6 | 2 | 1-- | 0% | 99% | 7-0 | CIN | G. Redus | T. Lollar | Walk; Foley to 2B | ||
| b6 | 2 | 12- | R | 0% | 100% | 7-0 | CIN | R. Oester | T. Lollar | Single; Foley Scores; Redus to 2B | |
| b6 | 2 | 12- | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Wild Pitch; Redus to 3B; Oester to 2B | ||
| b6 | 2 | -23 | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | E. Davis | T. Lollar | Walk | ||
| b6 | 2 | 123 | O | -0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | D. Parker | T. Lollar | Groundout: 3B-1B | |
| 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 3 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 7th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-8, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| Eddie Milner replaces Dave Parker (RF) playing CF batting 4th; Eric Davis moves from CF to RF | |||||||||||
| t7 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | B. Bochy | J. Russell | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| Champ Summers pinch hits for Tim Lollar (P) batting 9th | |||||||||||
| t7 | 1 | --- | -0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | C. Summers | J. Russell | Single | ||
| t7 | 1 | 1-- | -0% | 99% | 0-8 | SDP | B. Brown | J. Russell | Single; Summers to 2B | ||
| t7 | 1 | 12- | OO | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | M. Ramirez | J. Russell | Ground Ball Double Play: SS-1B | |
| 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 7th, Reds Batting, Ahead 8-0, Padres' Greg Booker facing 5-6-7 | |||||||||||
| Greg Booker replaces Champ Summers (PH) pitching and batting 9th | |||||||||||
| b7 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | D. Concepcion | G. Booker | Groundout: SS-1B | |
| b7 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | N. Esasky | G. Booker | Flyball: SS | |
| b7 | 2 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | D. Van Gorder | G. Booker | Groundout: 2B-1B | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 8th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-8, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 3-4-5 | |||||||||||
| t8 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | K. Bevacqua | J. Russell | Groundout: P-1B | |
| t8 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | K. McReynolds | J. Russell | Flyball: CF | |
| t8 | 2 | --- | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | C. Martinez | J. Russell | Walk | ||
| t8 | 2 | 1-- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | T. Flannery | J. Russell | Flyball: CF | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
| Bottom of the 8th, Reds Batting, Ahead 8-0, Padres' Greg Booker facing 8-9-1 | |||||||||||
| b8 | 0 | --- | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | T. Foley | G. Booker | Single | ||
| b8 | 0 | 1-- | O | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | J. Russell | G. Booker | Flyball: 2B | |
| b8 | 1 | 1-- | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | G. Redus | G. Booker | Walk; Foley to 2B | ||
| b8 | 1 | 12- | OO | 0% | 100% | 8-0 | CIN | R. Oester | G. Booker | Ground Ball Double Play: 1B-SS-P | |
| 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
| Top of the 9th, Padres Batting, Behind 0-8, Reds' Jeff Russell facing 7-8-9 | |||||||||||
| t9 | 0 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | L. Salazar | J. Russell | Flyball: RF | |
| t9 | 1 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | B. Bochy | J. Russell | Flyball: LF | |
| Terry Kennedy pinch hits for Greg Booker (P) batting 9th | |||||||||||
| t9 | 2 | --- | O | 0% | 100% | 0-8 | SDP | T. Kennedy | J. Russell | Flyball: SS | |
| 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 0, Reds 8. | |||||||||||
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