Comments on: Winning More Than Losing, Last Quarter Century http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: ART B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-92086 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:58:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-92086 Note to dukeofflatbush: The Braves have a franchise WL % of exactly .500 since 1876 but they've only had three seasons where their record was excaxtly .500. Likewise the Tigers, who have a franchise record of .506 since 1901 but only finished at exactly .500 twice (1954 and 2010). If the pattern holds, the Tigers should do it again sometime between 2063 and 2066.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-92069 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:01:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-92069 Pedro comes out smelling like a rose no matter what type of stats you like (Classic or SABR). He has the best W-L% and ERA+ of pitchers on the list.

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-91800 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 07:35:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-91800 W-L at the extremes TEND to show excellent pitchers. Still it is a poor arbiter of individual performance, & reflects team success to a good degree even with the outliers. That over time many of the very best-& some who make this list by being good but playing on excellent teams-are represented on such a list, does not show W-L to rank pitchers well.

Even just here, it does a poor job of ranking guys amongst themselves, let alone who was omitted. For example Clearly Martinez, with easily the best ERA + of the modern era, would deserve to rank around #1, not #8, if quality per start was reflected here.

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-91473 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:33:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-91473 @23
Careful when you use the phrase "dawn of time". McBride was the captain of the Athletic club for a few years before the founding of the NA. His playing days date back to the Civil War. Some stats are available from before 1871 but they are a bit sketchy. Who knows... maybe he pitched in relief *once* during that time and it knocks him off the list. I do see him playing some 2B in the 1860s.

If going back further doesn't change the list, then it just makes Glavine's mark look more impressive.

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By: cheese http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-91183 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:35:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-91183 yes, but how is their FIP?

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By: WinsAndLosses http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-90543 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:35:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-90543 @22
Great post. You may want to check your World Series facts though. I'm pretty sure if you check the 1988 standings you'll get the joke.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-90445 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:13:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-90445 @8, DavidRF -- Spooky timing & wording! But kudos to you for including Dick McBride. I've recently started extending my Play Index searches to 1893 or even 1876 (instead of the default 1901) -- but you, sir, have taken it all the way back to the dawn of time.

I was not familiar with Dick McBride, but I see now that he was the Athletics' pitcher in 1872 & '74 -- as in, he started and completed all 47 games in '72 and 55 games in '74. In his spare time, he managed the club; at least he didn't have to give any thought to developing a bullpen.

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By: barkfart http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-90412 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:35:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-90412 #15 Love that solid statistical analysis.

One single anomaly throws decades of stats out the window. Especially one as overwhelming as a 4-3 WS win.

W-L is "complete garbage", yet look at how it unites this amazing group of pitchers.

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-90173 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:21:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-90173 Schilling was one of those touted as underrated by wins and losses in the 90s. From 1988-2000, he was only 110-95 but with a whopping 123 ERA+. The Pythag winning percentage for that ERA+ is .602. He "should" have been 123-82. No one was surprised when his career took off in the 00s.

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By: Dr. Doom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9866/comment-page-1#comment-89980 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:25:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9866#comment-89980 Whoops. There's a "not" in my last sentence that I forgot to remove. Sorry.

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