Comments on: Trivia challenge http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-88588 Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:58:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-88588 Mike @ 52 above,
Sorry I cut it short. Basically, my thought was that Allen's legacy is doomed by some marginal talent surrounding him. That is to say, there exists a strong prejudice against ballplayers who didn't have postseason glory and he was never going to get there short of 50 homer seasons. Santo and Allen are probably the primary examples of great talents who don't have a post-season body of work yet the regular season clearly indicates these two were amongst the greatest players of their era-an era where pitching dominated more than any other in the last 90 years. I hope someone like Rich Lederer can bang the HOF drum for these two, soon...

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-88062 Wed, 02 Feb 2011 01:35:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-88062 I agree wholeheartedly Paul. i did not know he was quite #1 as a rookie position player in modern baseball.You have nailed it exactly, & likely would have continued to with the thought that was not quite completed above.

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By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-86725 Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:53:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-86725 @ Mike Felber
I guess my point was it's just a shame Bill James was so "virulent" in his "subjectivity" while ignoring his "ultimate" player value calculator, "Win Shares", when appraising Allen's career. I believe Allen's 1964, per both Win Shares (41) and WAR (9.2), is the greatest of any rookie position player of the 20th century. The objective evidence James puts forward (best three years, best five consecutive years, WS/162 games) actually indicates Allen is a top-5 all-time 1B. Dick Allen (and all blacks of his and prior generations) faced serious social issues off the field, however, it was a lack of good talent surrounding him that dooms his body of work as a

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85978 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:36:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85978 We have discussed Allen at length elsewhere. James I understand has recanted his ranking of Allen, which clearly was biased & contained a large subjective factor. Many team-mates & managers spoke highly of him as a man also, & while he had some issues, was victimized by virulent racism, including the teammate Frank White who after Allen defended another from racist attacks, injured Allen with a baseball bat.

His page's sponsor here has a great web site on him, representing great defense/evidence that he was admired by many, & a good force on many, despite some issues.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85532 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:36:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85532 @39, @44, @45: low 2Bs-to-HRs ratios:

Both Maris and Mantle hit only 16 doubles in 1961:
Maris 61 HR/16 2B = 3.8125 (also 40/17 in 1960)
Mantle 54 HR/16 2B = 3.50 (also 39/18 in 1960)

What was going on in Yankee Stadium in 1961? Yogi Berra had a 22:11 ratio, and Johnny Blanchard 21:10 ratio. In the rest of the 1961 AL, I could only find:
- Harmon KIllebrew (46/20)
- Lee Thomas (24/11)
- Marv Throneberry (11/5)
who had a 2:1 ratio of HR to 2Bs, with double figures in HRs

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By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85531 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:31:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85531 Highest OPS through or in age 30 seasons?

Interestingly, Bill James in his BJHA, has stated, more or less:
1) Hornsby - biggest asshole in MLB history
2) Mantle - drunk
3) Speaker - Klansman
4) Allen - 2nd biggest AH in MLB history and destroyer of clubhouses despite teammates like Goose Gossage call him the greatest player he ever was a team mate of........

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By: Mike Gaber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85431 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 05:42:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85431 @ 27 Tmckelv

Re: Jeff Heath

I checked The Wikipedia on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Heath

It brings up the main thing I remember about him;
1948 the Boston Braves are on their way to a surprising National League pennant.
In the last week of the season in what ("I think") was a meaningless game, Jeff Heath was attempting to slide into home plate and broke his ankle.

In those days I remember the photographers were allowed to be on the playing field in foul territory and one of them caught the leg being shattered with the lower ankle rotated 90 degrees to the upper ankle as the Wikipedia describes it.

Naturally the break caused him to miss his only chance in the post season in his career.
They didn't have playoffs then.

Per BB-Ref stats show he tried to come back in 1949 but had only 126 PA's in 36 games. He did hit .306/.389/.613 for a OPS of 1.002 but per WikiPedia was done after that.,

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85390 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:41:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85390 Batter seasons from 1901 to 2010 for non-pitchers with at least 100 plate appearances and more home runs than singles: McGwire 4 (1995, 1998, 1999, 2001); Frank Thomas 1 (2005), Richie Sexson 1 (2004), Bobby Estalella 1 (2002), Barry Bonds 1 (2001). That’s it.

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By: Noodle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85335 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:58:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85335 mark Mcgwire lifetime as a Cardinal:
220 Hrs, 57 2bs and 191 singles.
Pretty bizarre.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9772/comment-page-1#comment-85299 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:01:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9772#comment-85299 @39, daniel25625 -- The record for highest ratio of HR to 2B (with at least 30 HRs) was set by Harmon Killebrew in 1964: 49 HRs, 11 doubles, ratio of 4.45 HR per 2B.

Dave Kingman had a 4.11 ratio in 1982: 37 HR, 9 doubles.

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