Comments on: 3+ Games With 2B/3B/HR Since 1920 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-85164 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:01:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-85164 "KA-HUUUUUUUUU-NAAAAAA!!!!!"

Really, now, my cup runneth over. Bunny Brief?!? Now that's giving ol' Stubby Clapp III a run for his money!

And to top it off, Bunny Brief (whom I'd never heard of until you dropped his name) was a HUGE minor-league star -- 342 career HRs, .331 BA, still holds the American Association HR record with 256.

Oh, and that 1914 sports page -- classic! "First of the Series of Golf Contests Likely to Be Very Interesting" -- why, if I ever found golf interesting, I'm sure it would have been those contests.

And Hank O'Day noting his opposition to the emery ball, while at the same time virtually teaching us how to throw one?

Good stuff.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-85032 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:39:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-85032 John @#15, as long as we’re talking about the minor-league career of Otis Clymer, here’s a small item from the Philadelphia Evening Ledger of Sept. 25, 1914, pg. 12 (link):

"From August 5 to September 2, inclusive, Bunny Brief [born Anthony John Grzeszkowski], who was tried out by the St. Louis Browns last season, made a hit in every game. Bunny is now with the Kansas City club of the American Association. He made hits in 30 consecutive games, breaking the record formerly held by Otis Clymer."

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By: dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84902 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:42:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84902 Sorry Topper,
Didn't see you brought up the topic first.
It does make me recall Robin Ventura's walk-off Grand Slam single.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84894 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:32:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84894 @12, Kahuna Tuna --

Otis Clymer! Kahuna, you are the best.

BTW, you think his parents considered naming him Ivy?
(Or maybe Centennial?)

P.S. His "similar" players sounds like a fictional baseball team: Chet Chadbourne? Lefty Davis? Billy Zitsmann? Bunk Congalton?? Benny "Earache" Meyer???

P.P.S. Otis Clymer hit .342 for the Minneapolis Millers in the 1911 American Association, placing 5th in the batting race. The big star in the league was his teammate, Gavvy Cravath, who not only copped the batting crown at .363, but hit 29 HRs -- more than the #2 & #3 sluggers combined -- next 2 players combined; shades of things to come once he got back to the big leagues. Those 1911 Millers had a number of former & future MLB stars, especially in the pitching staff: "Deacon" Sam Leever, Rube Waddell, Red Faber, Nick Altrock....

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84886 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:11:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84886 @13, Dukeofflatbush: "would you begrudge a player for [stopping at first to achieve a cycle]?"

Duke, if it was clear that he had done so, then yes, I would. Since "the cycle" is just a freak stat -- it's obviously a greater accomplishment to hit a HR, 3B and two 2Bs -- so why compromise the integrity of your play.

On the other hand, Cesar Tovar playing all 9 positions in a game, for the sole reason of setting that "record," doesn't fill me with righteous indignation. So maybe I haven't thought this all the way through.

In any case, if I overheard him telling his grandkids about hitting for the cycle, I wouldn't jump in to debunk his story.

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By: dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84851 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:02:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84851 Baseball is one of the few games where it is difficult to 'pad' stats.
I know one can argue that a guy who selfishly swings for the fences, regardless of game situation or count (Mark Reynolds) - which you can say they are padding their HRs. But that is tough to prove.
I guess the modern save has become a stat that the whole of baseball seems to have invented and padded, especially Billy Beane, whom seems to use closers as currency.
But individually, I guess it would be hard to pad any stat, except the SB. I once pointed out that Rickey Henderson, for all his speed and exceptional baseball IQ, had a very low total of doubles and triples.
For instance, Jim Rice, in 600 fewer hits had more triples than Rickey, and Craig Biggio, with a nearly identical hit total had over 150 more doubles than Rickey. But it would be pretty hard to prove that conclusively.
But then there is the cycle. If a guy was missing the single, have you ever heard of an instance of him pulling up at first, for the sake of the cycle's rarity?
Or, if the season or game seemed out of reach, would you begrudge a player for doing so? Especially a player who may not achieve much through the course of his career?

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84844 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:22:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84844 "Statistically unlikely cycles" — Charlie Moore was practically a lock compared to Otis Clymer and his two career major-league homers. Clymer hit for the cycle on October 2, 1908, while playing for Washington in a 12-2 road win against New York. (He'd have done better to achieve the feat a day earlier, when Walter Johnson lost 2-1 to Jack Chesbro.)

Here is Clymer's Wikipedia page.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84836 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:38:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84836 Certainly one of the most statistically unlikely cycles was turned in by Charlie Moore on Oct. 1, 1980. Moore went 4 for 5 and stole 2 bases.

-- It's the only cycle from 1920-present that included 2+ SB. Moore had just one other multi-SB game in his long career; he finished with 51 SB and 57 CS.

-- Each of Moore's 4 hits came off a different pitcher, as did his lone out in the 9th inning.

-- It was Milwaukee's 160th game of the year. To that point in the season, Moore had 1 HR and 1 triple in 346 PAs that season, with 8 SB in 13 tries.

-- Moore batted .261 for his career, with 36 HRs (0.8% of PAs) and 43 triples (0.96% of PAs). This was the only time he had a HR and a triple in the same game. It was also the only time he had 3 or more extra-base hits in a game.

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By: LJF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84835 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:18:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84835 Manny Trillo above Babe Ruth on both lists. Nice.

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By: Dr. Doom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9752/comment-page-1#comment-84834 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:13:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9752#comment-84834 @7 & 8

Nice finds!

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