Comments on: 11 One & Done Batters http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Stu Baron http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80415 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 02:53:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80415 @11 and 12: It was Eddie GAEDEL.

I remember Dave Liddell - I didn't remember that the Mets traded Ed Lynch, an underrated member of their great 1980s teams, for him.

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By: Brendan Burke http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80306 Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:02:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80306 I only knew one of the names on the list... Tupman.

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By: Soundbounder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80187 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 11:03:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80187 @32 John Autin,

The point behind listing some Dodgers from that era who also played for the Giants, is to debunk the idea that the rivalry was so fierce, none of them would even consider playing for the other team. That argument gets tossed around quite a bit, especially when comparing the FA players of today to other eras.

I didn't list the names to make an argument that Robinson was not his own man.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80176 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:05:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80176 @29/30, Matt -- Enjoyed the Jansen thread. Just in case you didn't know, most minor-league stats are available through the "Minors" link on the B-R player pages.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jansera01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=jansen001ray

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80174 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 07:56:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80174 @31, Birtelcom -- Thanks for the info on Robinson's retirement. I need to read that bio. The line about him not wanting to play for the Giants has been floating around for decades, and I just grabbed it without checking.

@32, Soundbounder -- I accept that Robinson did not retire for the reason I said, but I don't see the point in listing teammates who did play for both teams.

Many people were surprised that Jackie Robinson supported Richard Nixon for President in 1960 and maintained a relationship with him for several years afterwards, even writing to encourage Nixon to stay in politics after his bitter disappointment at losing the race for California governor. But in every context, Jackie was his own man. So the notion that he might have retired rather than play for the Giants, though I no longer believe it, still seems plausible to me, no matter what Maglie or Snider did.

BTW, I never meant to imply that not wanting to play for the Giants was the main reason that he retired, nor do I think that the corporate job was the main reason. Obviously, Robinson's last 2 seasons were not up to his own standards (hitting .256 and .275 while averaging 112 games), even if he was still an above-average player, and I presume that his own performance was the first factor in his retirement decision. I could imagine Jackie thinking: "I'm not close to the player I was; I'll be 38 this year; I've played for Brooklyn my whole career -- I just can't see myself playing for the Giants." If he was still playing at the level he'd established from 1949-54, though, I can't imagine either the thought of playing across town or the job offer from Chock Full O' Nuts being enough to make him quit the game.

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By: Soundbounder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80146 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:55:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80146 @30 Birtelcom ,
Yup!!! IIRC, he also was going to be paid more by Chock Full Of Nuts than the Giants/Dodgers would have paid him.
The story of Robinson refusing to play for a rival is a myth. In fact, Maglie, Snider, Stankey, Loes, and Higbe are all teammates who played for both franchises.

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By: birtelcom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80136 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:19:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80136 John Autin @22 re Jackie Robinson's retirement. According to Arnold Rampersad's biography of Robinson, Jackie had already reached an agreement with the progressive, integrated, prominent company "Chock Full O' Nuts" to retire to become their head of personnel even before the Dodgers traded him to the Giants. He had not told the Dodgers of his intentions because he had a long-standing contract with Look magazine for an exclusive announcement of his retirement. He had just signed his contract with "Chock Full" and let Look know of his retirement when he found out he'd been traded.

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By: Matt Balitewicz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80114 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:42:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80114 The link ti the thread didn't attach. I'll try again.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?47876-Ray-Jansen...

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By: Matt Balitewicz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80113 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:41:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80113 In 1910, Ray Jansen, had an amazing one-and-done baseball career for the St. Louis Browns. Here's his line, and I followed up with a querry on a message board, and received one heck of an interesting reply.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jansera01.shtml
4-5 with three errors in his only game as a pro.

Here's the thread that deals with Ray Jansen.

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By: Tom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9582/comment-page-1#comment-80085 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:14:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9582#comment-80085 I noticed the majority of players were catchers. Any theories on why?

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