Comments on: 30-65 IP & ERA+ Of 200+ http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: rico petrocelli http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75887 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:35:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75887 Class of 47

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By: andyr http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75861 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:35:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75861 @25 Rico Petrocelli- If not mistaken, Don McMahon went to Erasmus High at the same time as Al Davis...

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By: rico petrocelli http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75801 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:51:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75801 DonMcMahon pitched in exactly 1,100 professional games over a 25-year span. Never once did he spend a day on the disabled list.

Brooklyn born McMahon played high school ball at Ebbets Field, and could stand out near the wall and gun the ball to home plate same as Carl Furillo. He could throw it harder McMahon could gun it in there on one hop, too.

“I was one of the first pitchers to get groomed in the minors as a reliever. That was the only way I knew I could get to the major leagues because I only had one pitch. I relied completely on the fastball and sheer strength … there was no finesse about it.”

A 1957 debut for 27-year-old rookie. Milwaukee Braves in a tight battle for first place against the Reds and Cardinals

“My first major league appearance was against the Pirates. I was up maybe four days and here we were losing, top of the ninth, and they brought me in to pitch. And I struck out two of the three guys I faced. I was very strong, I got the ball over the plate and was extremely fast.

“In the bottom of the ninth Felix Mantilla hit a home run with a man on to tie it up. And then I pitched the tenth, eleventh, and twelfth. And Eddie Mathews won the game with a home run off Luis Arroyo. We won the game and I got all the headlines.”

He would record four saves before he allowed his first big league run. McMahon instantly became the ace of the Braves’ bullpen, compiling a 1.54 ERA with 46 strikeouts in 46 innings. The team won its first National League pennant and then defeated the favored New York Yankees in a close-fought seven-game World Series.

May of 1962. Milwaukee Braves soured on McMahon, believing him washed up at the age of 32.

For the expansion Colt .45s he had a a 1.53 ERA (245 ERA+) in 51 games and 77 innings.

“The heat won an awful lot of games for us. We were the only team in ’62 that Koufax didn’t beat. , it just ate teams up. Especially the Giants, when they’d come in from the cold weather and get in there they’d just pass out.”

1973

Perhaps a secret to McMahon's amazing freedom from arm trouble had been his own regimen: He threw -- every day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, whether a little or a lot.

In early July of 1973, he Giants re-activated the 43-year-old McMahon, to the status of relief pitcher-pitching coach. He was the oldest player in the majors, and in 22 games and 30 innings over the second half, McMahon was brilliant. He was 4-0 with six saves and an ERA+ of 260.

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By: John Q http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75745 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 04:47:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75745 Good point DoubleDiamond, that was the silver lining to the Mets' 1979 season.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75712 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 01:29:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75712 That 1979 season got the Mets Darryl Strawberry as the first overall pick in the 1980 draft. (Although they didn't have the worst record in the majors, it was the NL's turn to have the first pick in 1980. These days, the team with the worst record the previous year, regardless of league, gets to pick first.)

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By: rico petrocelli http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75584 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:17:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75584 Don McMahon -- somewhat forgotteb but interesting:

Grad of Eramsus High in Brooklyn. classmate of Roger Kahn (The Boys of Summer)

did it this ERA+ feat 16 years apart (1957,1973 when he was 43)

ERA+ was also over 200 in 1962 (a 3rd time) but pitched 79 innings.

When McMahon retired, only Hoyt Wilhelm, Lindy McDaniel, and Cy Young had pitched in more games.

Teammate of Petrocelli in 1967.

Held Hall of Famers Hank Aaron, Ernie Banks, Johnny Bench, Harmon Killebrew, Bill Mazeroski, Joe Morgan, Stan Musial, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, and Willie Stargell to a .149 collective batting average (28-for-188)

Died on the mound,pitching B.P.

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By: Morten Jonsson http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75531 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:43:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75531 @20

Yes, Gossage is the only one with a season within that range. Billy Wagner had four seasons with an ERA+ over 200. Robb Nen had three. Bruce Sutter had two. Pete Moylan has had two. J. J. Putz has had one, though he did it in style, going over 300. But all of them got careless and went over 65 innings. Usually well over.

I think it would be a more interesting question if the range were broader--from, say, 40 or 50 innings to just under the number of innings needed to qualify for an ERA title. I'm pretty sure the winner would be Rivera, but I'd be curious to see who else is high on the list.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75525 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:03:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75525 @18, Jeff J. -- The list is pitchers with at least 2 years of ERA+ over 200 and 30-65 IP. Of the guys you mentioned, I think only Gossage had even 1 such season. Others had one or more seasons with ERA+ > 200, but with too many IP to "qualify" for the narrowly-drawn list. (Gossage had 2 such years with IP of 133 and 142 -- too dang good to make this list!)

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By: John Q http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75523 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:01:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75523 @16 Morten J.

I guess you had to be there.

Yeah, you're right there were plenty of teams with worse records but it was something about the whole depressing mood & feeling of that 1979 team. Heck the Mets of the early 60's had worse records but there was a sense of optimism and fun with those teams. That '79 team was at the Nadir of that down period in Mets history from 1977-1983. The only team that was worse than the '79 squad in Mets history was the '93 debacle.

The Mets Lost 99 games that year.

They finished 6th (last) in the National League Eastern Division 35 games back.

They finished last in attendance in the NL (12/12) with an attendance of 788, 900. I think it was the worst attendance in Mets history but I'm not sure. Shea was just a depressing place to be that year. Even if you look at old films, it looks kind of in disrepair from the de Roulet family. Basically the franchise had hit rock bottom and would be sold in 1980.

Jerry Koosman was traded during the winter and there were no big name free-agents signed.

In the Bronx, the Yankees just won back to back WS and won 3 straight AL Pennants.

The Mets had possibly the worst sports mascot in history in "Mettle the Mule".

It was the last year of the de Roulet/ Payson family owning the team so the team seamed completely lost.

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By: Jeff J. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9357/comment-page-1#comment-75517 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 03:35:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9357#comment-75517 I am really missing something, like why these guys aren't on the list

Sutter
Gossage
Wagner
Moylan
Nen
Putz
???

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