Comments on: Strong & Deep Bullpens http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Raymond Culpepper http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74584 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:19:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74584 Strikeouts aside, the 2002 Braves bullpen may have been the deepest and best ever:

Smoltz, 3-2,3.25 in 80.1 innings, 55 saves
Hammond, 7-2, 0.95 in 76 innings
Remlinger, 7-3, 1.99 in 68 innings
Holmes, 2-2, 1.81, in 54.2 innings
Gryboski, 2-1, 3.48, in 51.2 innings
Lightenberg, 3-4, 2.97 in 66.2 innings
Spooneybarger, 1-0, 2.63 in 51.1 innings

Total for the 7: 25-14, 2.41 in 448.2 innings

I don't think any other team has ever had that many effective bullpen pitchers with at least 50 innings.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74511 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:03:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74511 Steve, interesting theme, but I'm wondering why the 50-K requirement?

-- I searched for 50+ games relieved, 50+ IP and an ERA+ of at least 150, with no K filter. Two teams had 4 such pitchers, the 2008 Angels & 2004 Braves, each a division winner. Of the last 20 teams with at least 3 such pitchers, 15 made the playoffs, and 3 of the last 6 WS winners have had 3 such pitchers.

-- A 50-K floor seems modest at first blush, but it weeds out a surprising number of star relievers, even from the not-so-distant past. Dan Quisenberry had just 1 season with 50+ Ks, but he ranked in the top 3 in the Cy Young vote 4 straight years, and won 4 AL Fireman of the Year Awards with less than 50 Ks. There have been 63 seasons of at least 30 games in relief, 50 IP and an ERA+ over 200, but with less than 50 Ks -- 2 each by Mariano Rivera, John Franco, Mark Eichhorn, Quiz, Frank Linzy and Terry Fox. Just 2 years ago, Brad Ziegler had a 1.06 ERA (394 ERA+) in 59.2 IP, with only 30 Ks.

-- Any historical comparison with a K floor will skew towards teams of the current era. The MLB K rate in 2010 (7.1 K/9) was 25% higher than in 1990 (5.7), almost 50% higher than 1980 (4.8), and more than twice the 1930 rate (3.3). Unfortunately, the Play Index does not let us filter on K rate relative to the player's league.

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By: Michael E Sullivan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74307 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 02:37:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74307 I notice that on your prototypical example, charlton actually started 16 games, so he was only in the pen for a bit over half the season. He does pick up 50+ games though.

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By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74235 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:26:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74235 No they didn't - sorry I thought it was 50Ks not 60 - Arredondo only had 55.

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By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74234 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:23:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74234 The Angels also did this in 2008 with Rodriguez, Shields and Arredondo?

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By: Joe Garrison http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74187 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 06:33:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74187 Quick.....

How many of the above teams made the playoffs?

What's the percentage?

And how many won at least one playoff round?

Quick now... just wondering if it is true that you need good bullpen to make the post season and a really strong bullpen to do well once you get there.

Go go go!

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By: JR http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74174 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:46:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74174 Funny that of the 25 teams on this list, only 2 won the World Series that particular year (1990 Reds and 2008 Phillies).

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By: StephenH http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74135 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74135 That was some bullpen the '68 ChiSox had! Wood leads the team in wins and has a great year. I look at Wood's career and I wonder why more pitchers don't try the knuckleball.

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By: Steve Lombardi http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74132 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:55:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74132 FWIW, I used the '90 Nasty Boys as my baseline here and tried to find trios somewhat like them in the query.

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By: BSK http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9288/comment-page-1#comment-74131 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:49:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9288#comment-74131 Mantei was their closer that year. If you were thinking of Kim, he was gone by then.

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