Comments on: Who deserves to win the NL MVP? http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Presenting your 2010 National League MVP « The Writer's Journey http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73462 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:55:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73462 [...] in a big way…31 out of 32 first place votes! I started to get a little doubty on Sunday when the B-R blog asked who should win and the vote was closer than I thought it should have been, but I believe the BBWAA got it right by [...]

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By: stlfan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73411 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:05:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73411 @LVW - Thanks for pointing that out. I must have missed your original assessment. Sorry.

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By: LVW http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73276 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 03:15:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73276 @Stlfan- that's where you're wrong- if you read my first post:

"Votto also had the edge in hitting with runners in scoring position, late inning pressure and was more consistent. Though this isn't as important as overall stats I see it as kind of a tiebreaker."

You would see I'm not cherrypicking anything.

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By: DS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73182 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:18:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73182 Also, look at the home vs. road stats of these guys. That is something to think about.

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By: stlfan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73177 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:05:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73177 @LVW

So, by my user name, I am obviously biased...but cherry picking stats is not the way to go about finding a winner. Looking solely at RISP, you could also say that Pujols led Votto in 2B, HR, RBI, BB, K (less), OBP, SLG, TB, and OPS+. He also did it despite having a league average BABIP, instead of one nearly 100 points above BABIP.

Those stats that I cherry picked out of a whole mess of stats would lead to a trouncing by Pujols. Obviously, as I am writing after Votto was announced as the winner, the "trouncing" did not happen.

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By: DS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73175 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:02:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73175 1) But if MVP means "based on the season, who do you draft first for next year," don't we all take Pujols?

- This can't really apply, because even if Pujols had an abysmal season, i'd still pick him first over any field player on offensive measure alone.

2) Making the playoffs is great, but just a thought. If wins and team performance do not factor into the cy young award, why should they for mvp?

Baseball is an individual game disguised as a team game. Pujols/Votto are 1 player out of 9. Making the playoffs is as much out of Pujols control as winning is to Hernandez, outside of just a fraction of the results they contribute to the w/l.

They both had a great season. Albert actually had more value based on WAR so I don't really buy the 'they made the playoffs' argument unless that player significantly contributed or based on some other support info. Shouldn't be a double standard.

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By: Dr. Doom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73162 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:33:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73162 And Votto is the winner.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73138 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:04:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73138 I think that Albert Pujols was still the best player in the NL in 2010, even though he had by his standards a "down" year. However, voters will give the award to Votto for:
1) leading the Reds made the playoffs
2) being the "new face" in the MVP race

I predict a close finish with Votto/Pujols/Carlos Gonzalez, in that order.

I would also like to comment on what standards the MVP voters use - most of us here see the question of "who is the MVP?" as: "who had the best year in the league?" However, MVP voters put a whole series of qualifiers to the question, "who was the best player in the league?", such as:

- must be a position player (UNLESS no position player dominates)
- is on a playoff team (UNLESS a player on a non-playoff team totally dominates, or the team a player is on wins by a large margin)
- led the league in RBI (BONUS - unless they were not on a playof team)
- is the player new to the MVP discussion?? (MANY bonus points for being a more interesting story...)

Frequently, how interesting the players storyline is seems to be more important than the candidate's qualifications to the MVP voters. In short, baseball writers are best at is WRITING ABOUT BASEBALL, not neccessarily at analyzing player's performances. The exclusion of pitchers from consideration the last 20 or so years is probably the most infuriating aspect of this; Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez almost certainly should have won MVP awards.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73093 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:22:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73093 3 of my personal "considerations" for MVP come up this year in the NL.

1) I don't love to give it to pitchers unless you absolutely have to. Halladay does not fit that category this year. Obviously you cannot give it to any other pitcher unless the Cy Young is a sham or Ubaldo Jimenez was extremely good with the bat this year (but even if that were the case, his totals would get knocked down by the "Colorado effect").

2) Don't give it to someone that has won the award a couple times before if it is a so-so year for the guy (i.e. Albert Pujols 2010 - if ever you can call a 173 OPS+ a so-so year, it is this case).

3) If there is no clear cut - give the guys on playoff teams a little bump and see what that does. Out of the top 10 (in WAR) that applies to Votto, Halladay/Hudson (see #1) and Aubrey Huff (come on, Aubrey Huff???).

Because of the considerations above, I would select Joey Votto as MVP.

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By: Adam http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9184/comment-page-1#comment-73066 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:57:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9184#comment-73066 I would vote Pujols, but it's so close you could hardly make the a wrong choice.

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