Comments on: Felix Hernandez wins the AL Cy Young award http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Matt Y http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-73396 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:50:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-73396 should have read:

Putting up the best stats will never matter quite as much t the MVP as it now does for Cy Young, and that too is the way it should be!

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By: Matt Y http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-73395 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:49:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-73395 Wins will always matter to Cy voters as it should. Price, CC and Felix were a wash. He wasn't a bad pick at all despite the fact I would have voted for Price. Putting up the best stats will never matter quite as much as it now does for Cy Young, and that too is the way it should be! Statheads can rejoice, but Felix also got a slight bump this year for being a bit slighted last year.

....and, yes Felix didn't pitch in a single game that mattered. That's just the facts. Again, congrats to Felix since he was a good choice as would have been the other two.

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72863 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 06:29:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72863 MJR, no insult intended, but I guarantee most everyone is rolling their eyes at your comment. Sure, if CC had won 28 games-not done since the pitchers year of '68-he would have won. Since not only are those # of wins superficially impressive, he would have had to have been significantly better on almost all teams to do this.

But you have engaged none of the arguments above. The fact that he had terrible run support is why his record was EXCELLENT. Nobody in the league could have done quite as well this year-on Seattle. We are telling you that looking at traditional or Saber #s should tell you he was the best. DO you not understand that W-L does NOT equate to how well he pitched?

Also, that NOBODY in modern baseball history, or likely any human being ever, could have gotten Seattle to the playoffs alone. Take the best pitching performance ever, Ruth in his best year: Seattle lost 101 games. Clearly nobody could have alone gotten them even a .500 record.

No one player on ANY sport with a whole team can possibly make a terrible team very good. None. Basketball has only 5 starters, so a Michael Jordon or Lebron James can have relatively more impact: & their is no pitching that is a huge part of the game. None of these guys could take their teams all the way: & even though many more teams have made the playoffs, if the rest of the team is as BAD as Seattle, they are unlikely to even make the playoffs: even though many mediocre teams have done so.

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By: MJR http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72828 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:17:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72828 seriously,had cc won 28 games with the same other stats he would have won ,had lester or price won over 20 games they could have won also,they would have paid more attention to wins if more had won 20,13 and 12 is a crap record no matter who you play for,they gave a cy young award to someone who had a crap record on a crap team.he was barely a .500 pitcher.having a pitcher who was the war leader did not get seattle into the playoffs......seriously

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By: Chuck http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72824 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 01:37:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72824 "...they just came up with a reason not to give it to C.C.""

Seriously?

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By: MJR http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72808 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:56:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72808 would hernandez have won the award if he finished 13 and 13 or 12 and 13 he could have easily been either.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72805 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:45:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72805 Citizens Banks has played pretty neutral the last few years. It does increase homers, but not overall scoring.

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By: Richard http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72800 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:59:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72800 I like that people bring up pitching in Coors when supporting Jimenez over Halladay and completely ignore Citizens Bank Park, as if it's suddenly some sort of pitcher's heaven.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72792 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:06:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72792 Three highest scoring teams were NY, BOS, and TB. Sabathia started 9 games against them. Hernandez started 4.

Baseball Prospectus measures quality of competition faced for each pitcher and batter. The avg OPS of Felix's batters faced was .728, slightly below AL avg. Sabathia's was .719, 4th lowest of 42 qualifying pitchers. (The spread from top (B. Matusz .744) to bottom (CJ Wilson .708) is probably worth about 10 runs over a full season, or almost a half-run of ERA.)

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By: Dp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9159/comment-page-1#comment-72786 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:04:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=9159#comment-72786 For those who talk about Sabathia's "level of competition" being higher than Hernandez thanks to pitching in the AL East:

The three lowest scoring teams in the American League were Seattle, Baltimore and Cleveland.

Hernandez started four games against those teams.

Sabathia started eleven.

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