Comments on: Playoff stories http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Michael E Sullivan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57615 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:33:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57615 "-- Sandy Koufax, 165 wins. Sui generis. Greatest 4-year run since, what, Lefty Grove? Plus WS heroics."

At the time probably, but a few guys have done about as well since. All 4 of the guys in the last generation who have inner circle credentials have either done pretty close or better over a 4 year span, in addition to having much longer overall careers. Maddux roughly equaled him, and Pedro was even better. Randy Johnson and Clemens came very close. Tom Seaver as well.

It's instructive to compare the best of this generation to Koufax using adjusted stats. They have 4 year stretches that compare, and 7-8 year peaks that are definitely better. Which tells you just how good these guys are and what a rare treat it's been to have them pitching at the same time.

I just did a play index search similar to Andy's WAR/PA, of WAR/IP for pitchers with more than so many IPs.

I used a cutoff of .02 and 1500 IP, and got most of the all-time inner circle guys, along with some current players who will probably make the hall, and a few guys whose careers were too short to make the hall.

It's missing Greg Maddux, who I consider inner circle, but it's because he stretched his career with 6 years of relatively average pitching. If you cut him off at 20 years instead of 24, he makes the .02 cutoff easily. So there may be a couple guys with long careers that unfairly miss the inner circle cut at .02, but .18 puts a fair number of guys on there who were great, but not really inner circle pitchers (perry, jenkins, blyleven).

Note that both Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling make the .02 cut. Basically, B-R WAR thinks they played pretty close to the level of the inner circle guys just for not as long. Not that I had either of these guys out, but that definitely upped my opinion of them a bit.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57245 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:05:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57245 [Click]

... the sound of Halladay's HOF ticket being punched.

[Crunch]

... the sound of me eating my words (@3 above).

But at least I did say, "he would have to have one of the greatest postseasons in history to lock up a spot in the HOF."

Good start. But what can he do for an encore? 🙂

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57214 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:13:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57214 And what I was also going to do was predict that one (or even both) of the statements I made would no longer be true after the end of this postseason.

Really I was. I really did think there'd be a triple play in the Rangers/Rays game today, maybe to get Cliff Lee out of trouble. Yeah, sure. No such luck, though.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57213 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:11:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57213 @15 You forgot the second half of the message you were planning to post somewhere here in the past few days:

The only triple play that has ever occurred, was properly called as such, and remained as such in postseason play was an unassisted triple play. (There was a play originally called a triple play in the 1980 NLCS, but it was overruled by another umpire. There was also a play in which the would-have-been third out of a triple play was incorrectly, as shown in replays, called safe in either the 1991 or 1992 World Series. Deion Sanders, then with the Braves, was one of the players involved.)

The only no-hitter that has ever occurred in postseason play the World Series was a perfect game.

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By: BobBobson http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57123 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:52:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57123 Well, there you have it. Halladay's Hall case has just been bolstered enormously.

First postseason start too–the guy's an animal.

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By: More Random ALDS Notes » Baseball-Reference Blog » Blog Archive http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57066 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:55:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57066 [...] Tacking on to Andy's playoff thoughts from earlier today... [...]

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57056 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:30:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57056 For the 49th straight year, the World Series will not be a matchup of two expansion teams. (Okay, 48th straight year if you want to exclude 1994.)

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57051 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:25:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57051 There seems to be a decent number of first-overall June draft picks on the playoff teams this year. I count six active players plus one who is injured but had a decent season before getting hurt to no doubt help his team make it to the postseason eventually. And there was one more whose team was eliminated on the last day of the regular season. So, those overall #1's aren't totally useless!

Working backwards, the active players are:
2007 - David Price
2003 - Delmon Young
2001 - Joe Mauer
1999 - Josh Hamilton
1998 - Pat Burrell (I have not checked to see if he made the Giants' NLDS roster, however.)
1993 - Somebody whose name has slipped my mind, maybe because I haven't read it here in a while, like, oh, maybe a day or so.

Also referred to here:
1990 - Chipper Jones - injured
2000 - Adrian Gonzalez - eliminated on the last day of the regular season

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By: Brett http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-57015 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:25:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-57015 @13, I have no problem with Oates. My (weak) point is that there are a lot of guys with records similar to Oates and on most franchises it wouldn't even warrant consideration for number retirement.

I'm a Brewers fan, so I think 3 1st place finishes would be AMAZING! And that is the other point, on "lesser" franchises, you have to start somewhere and rewarding that success is a necessity.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8545/comment-page-1#comment-56977 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:20:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8545#comment-56977 @11
Brett -- Give Oates some credit; he managed the franchise to their only 3 postseason appearances. He has the 2nd most wins in franchise history, but unlike #1 Bobby Valentine, Oates had a winning record.

Speaking of Rangers managers, what's the story behind Billy Hunter's brief tenure?
He took over midway through 1977, and was let go with 1 game remaining in 1978.
The team did pretty well under Hunter:
-- In 1977, he took over a 34-35 club and went 60-33 the rest of the way (yet lost ground in the race, as KC went 67-26, a .720 W%).
-- In '78, the Rangers were 86-75 under Hunter, and had won 14 of 16 when he was replaced by Pat Corrales.

Hunter never managed again in MLB. He went on to coach baseball at Towson University and later was athletic director.

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