Comments on: Visiting Cooperstown [Part 1] http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Steve Kuzmiak http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-53931 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:36:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-53931 I like the shot of Pioneer Street with the "Tavern". The tavern shown is Cooley's. The better townie bar is directly across the street and is called Shermans. Cooperstown Old Timers will call it "The Pratt" because it used to be the Pratt Hotel. You can go to Cooperstown on the coldest Friday night in January and the entire town will be dead but the loyals will be pounding a few at Shermans. Everybody's goal there is pretty apparent since there are usually cabs parked out front waiting'

Also, next to Shermans is the Chinese Restaurant Foo-Kin, if nothing else it will give you some juvenile mileage with plays on the name.

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By: Friday Links (24 Sep 10) – Ducksnorts http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-52313 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:31:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-52313 [...] Visiting Cooperstown [Part 1] (Baseball-Reference). Steve Lombardi shares photos from his recent trip. I’ve visited twice, once in 1988 and again in 2007 for Tony Gwynn’s induction. With any luck, I’ll get out there again when Trevor Hoffman’s turn arrives. Part 2 of Steve’s article is here. [...]

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51641 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:33:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51641 That's particularly odd if Lajoie isn't remembered by Cleveland somehow, since the darn team was named after him for a while.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51625 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:42:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51625 #7-9; 11; 14 - on teams retiring numbers: most of the players mentioned in #7(Dennis Levy) played some or all of their careers before uniform numbers were commonly worn. As best I remember, uniform #'s were first used by the Indians in 1929, and by all teams by the mid-30s.

Also, there's a haphazard policy of teams honoring greats who pre-dated uniforms; while the Tigers honored Cobb and the Pirates honored Wagner, the Indians don't seem to have done anything for Napoleon Lajoie (I don't know if he's been honored otherwise - Indians fans?). There doesn't seem to be any consistent standard policy for retiring uniform #'s - the Astros retired Jim Umbrich, who pitched 143 innings for the Astros over two years, but then died of cancer the next spring. The Angels retired longtime coach Jimmy Reese's #. If teams wish to honor players or organization members for reasons beyond on-field greatness, that's their right.

OTOH, some clubs have very specific standards. Speaking as a Red Sox follower, I think their standards are TOO restrictive:
- election to the HOF
- played ten years w/the Red Sox
- finished their career w/the Red Sox

this eliminates these players:
- Cy Young
- Jimmy Collins
- Tris Speaker
- Harry Hooper (played 12 seasons, but finished w/the White Sox)
- Jimmy Foxx
- Lefty Grove
- Wade Boggs (played 11 seasons, but finished w/the Devil Rays)

They fudged the rules with Carlton Fisk (gave him a ceremonial "job" shortly before retiring his #), and basically ignored the rules for longtime fan favorite Jonnhy Pesky, who has played/ managed/ scouted/ coached for the Red Sox almost all of his adult life. I'm glad they did, they both deserve it. I wish they'd honor their all-time greats before Ted Williams, especially Cy Young, Tris Speaker, and Jimmy Foxx.

I visited Cooperstown almost ten years ago; it's a great place to visit, even if you don't agree with all the selections. There's a whole huge museum to explore besides the plaques.

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By: Steve Lombardi http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51606 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:35:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51606 Bruce - no problem, figured you were busy. There's always next time! 😉

BTW, I played "So you think you know?" when I was there this weekend and got bounced on the 8th question. Again, soooooo close!

MikeD - My kids are 6 and 8, and can only go for about an hour in any museum. So, early Sunday AM, I went back to the Hall by myself for an hour or so, while my wife and kids packed up at the hotel, and it was great - - no one was there and I could take my time looking at things. I hope you have the same success when you go solo next time.

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By: Bruce Markusen http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51601 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:08:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51601 Steve, sorry that I didn't get a chance to see you in Cooperstown this past weekend. I was tied up with duties at our annual Apple Fest event in Fly Creek.

It's good to hear all of these voices in support of Cooperstown. We just went through our second consecutive down summer with regard to attendance. The town could use a boost. Perhaps posts like this will help us down the line.

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By: MikeD http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51549 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51549 Dennis Levy @various -- As someone noted, both Ruffing and Gomez have plaques as part of the Yankees Monument Park, although their numbers aren't retired, and I'm fine with that. Now I'm not sure that actually fits your qualification, since fans have to go out to Monument Park to see the plaques and monuments and retired numbers. Yet I would find it hard to fault the Yankees. They do a very good job (some might say excessive job!) in promoting their history and HOF players, as well as near-great players, both in Monument Park and with pictures in their Great Hall area.

I hadn't thought about it, but I am surprised that they haven't at least put a plaque for Tony Lazzeri in Monument Park since he was inducted in the HOF in '91. Very unlike George Steinbrenner who was always into promoting history and the Yankee mystique. (The man knew marketing.) I wonder if there are any direct Lazzeri family members around to even attend a Yankee ceremony? They now have the same issue with Joe Gordon, who was also just elected to the HOF. He should honored with a plaque, but I wouldn't retire his number.

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By: MikeD http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51544 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:14:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51544 I've been to Cooperstown and the HOF three times in my life, but I always was traveling with friends or family. That's great, and the way it should be...most of the time. I want to spend so much time in the Hall that the people I'm traveling (who like baseball but don't love it!) have a tendency to get a little bored. The last time I went I pretty much decided I'm going to go by myself for one trip so I can spend as much time as I want in various areas, Your post reminded me of that commitment and inspired me to see it through. I live in New York State, and Cooperstown is withing a three-hour drive, so I'm thinking a late September or early October visit is in order.

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By: Zim http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51531 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:40:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51531 Thanks for the first installment of the Cooperstown trip. I was there as a toddler, or so my mom says, but have not been fortunate enough to make it back.

As for the Twins recognition of Senators, they never played in Minnesota, so it probably seemed a bit odd to have Walter Johnson, Goose Goslin or Sam Rice recognized here. I DO know they had old pictures of the Big Train and various Presidents throwing out the first pitch in the team offices at the Metrodome. Not sure if those made it over to Target Field.

The aforementioned HOF'ers as well as many other Senators players are recognized at the Washington Hall of Stars display at Nationals Park.

The Twins do have an interesting listing of every player to play for them in Minnesota in the plaza outside Target Field.

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By: Steve Lombardi http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8327/comment-page-1#comment-51488 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:33:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=8327#comment-51488 Just wanted to say thanks for all the kind words regarding this post - and to all those sharing about their Cooperstown experiences too!

I'm working on the next installment now. 😉

But, keep the comments coming on this one if you want - they're all great.

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