Comments on: SS With 10+ HR/SB http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: MikeD http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-43381 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:25:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-43381 @9, Mike -- A-Rod would have been a better SS option than Jeter in 2004, yet that is no longer the case today and probably hasn't been since about 2004. Keep in mind that the last time A-Rod opened a season as a SS was in 2003 when he was 27, more than seven years ago. He just turned 35 last month. He's much bulkier, and has had hip surgery, which means even his 3B defensive skills have taken a hit. A-Rod at SS in 2010 would make Jeter look like Ozzie Smith. A-Rod's days as a SS are long, long, long gone.

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By: dodgerdave http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42940 Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:04:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42940 John Q - Didn't Dale Sveum slug 25 homers in 1987 while playing SS for the Brewers?

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42793 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:08:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42793 Odd to see Crosetti on a list of positive offensive accomplishments. #10, it didn't say anywhere that the seasons were meant to be consecutive, no?

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42755 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:44:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42755 #12: "sfduke76 -
Check out Honus Wagner: Led the league in SB AND SLG in the same season 3 times!

Ty Cobb led the AL in both SB and SLG 4 times, and from 1907 to 1919 was in the Top-10 in both categories every year, missing the Top-3 a total of five times. Wagner had a similar string from 1900 to 1909, missing the Top-3 a total of four times. Willie Mays was Top-10 in SB and SLG from 1954 to 1962, led in both in 1957. Most players stop stealing bases as they age, so you don't see that combination very often.

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By: sfduke76 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42676 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:25:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42676 Agreed, Lawrence that it is an "era-sensitive" list. Check out Honus Wagner: 1903-15, more than 100 games at SS. Only 1 season with 10 HR, but led league in slugging 4 times and RBI 3 times, and never had less than 20 SB. Led the league in SB AND SLG in the same season 3 times! What a hoss that guy was...

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42660 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:46:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42660 I think the frequency of the 10 HR/10SB combo is mainly a function of eras; only two players on the first list before 1970, and only one on the second list. In the dead-ball era, there were lots of stolen bases, but few HR, but I'm sure that if Wagner/ Cobb/ Speaker played today, they'd be in double figures for home runs almost every full season they played. Likewise, in the live-ball era, stolen bases were de-emphasized until the SB made a comeback in the early 60s; I'm also sure that Joe Dimaggio or Paul Waner could've stolen 10+ bases most years if they wanted to.

Interesting lists still.

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By: sternfan1 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42640 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:03:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42640 You might want to check Crosetti again. I don't see three consecutive years

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By: Mike http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42625 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:29:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42625 A true shame that A-Rod was not a career SS and the Jeter was moved to 3B where he belongs.

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By: David http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42614 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:07:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42614 Barry Larkin = HOFer. Nuff said.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7970/comment-page-1#comment-42581 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:05:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7970#comment-42581 Re: most 20/20 seasons by a SS:
I note that A-Rod is tied for the lead with 3, and is also 2nd among 3Bs with 3 20/20 seasons (Howard Johnson leads with 5). A-Rod is one of 2 players who appear on both lists; care to guess the other one? It should be pretty easy just from looking at the SS list above.

Don't mistake me for an A-Rod fan, but:

-- He's the only career SS with at least 300 SB and 300 HRs, and one of just 3 with even 200 of each (Yount & Jeter are the others).

-- Among all 40/40 seasons, A-Rod had the 2nd-best SB success rate at 78%. (Bonds had 85% in 1996.)

-- His career SB success rate of 80.7% is one of the best since CS became an official stat. Of the 75 players with at least 300 SB since 1940, A-Rod ranks 14th in SB success rate -- a hair behind Joe Morgan, Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson, and better than Jose Reyes, Kenny Lofton and Barry Bonds, among others. A-Rod has more SB and a better success rate than Scott Podsednik and Frank Taveras, two players whose ability to steal bases was regarded as a big portion of their total value. (Podsednik 74.8%, Taveras 73.9%.)

P.S. It will be at least 2 more seasons before A-Rod's games played at 3B (now 970) tops those played at SS (1272).

P.P.S. Toby Harrah is the other man with a 20/20 season at both SS and 3B.

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