Comments on: Jim Thome & top OPS+ seasons for a 39-year-old http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: The Doc http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-40645 Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:52:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-40645 D J Jones,

There was a huge jump in power numbers MLB-wide starting 1993-1994. Which do you think is more likely - that a change in the baseball was responsible, or that every power hitter started taking steroids that year and not before?

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By: We’re Going Streaking! Jim Thome is mashing his taters | jZINE| Get Ripped | Get Huge | Get Sports News http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-40070 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:44:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-40070 [...] my boy, Blue!: Thome currently has the sixth-best OPS+ for a 39-year-old ever, notes Andy at Baseball-Reference, and the ninth-best career OPS+ from age 35 onward. He was very good for the [...]

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By: BalBurgh http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39797 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:11:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39797 While we're at it why don't we ponder what kind of totals Bonds might have racked up with another couple of limited years in the OF, or less limted ones as a DH, which he didn't get because he was blackballed while all the other PED users that were young enough played on. It's lonely at the top, eh?

And more, he could have played another couple of years in some capacity bewcause he didn't break down like McGwire and others, PEDs or no (Griffey?). He just outworked a lot of people (on top of growing up with pro players all around and possibly just being a genetic freak born to an already gifted father/player). Again, PEDs or no.

Finally, per 23, there must be something to the stadium effect, not to mention expansion in 93 and 98.

Yeah, Bonds probably did it knowingly, and his buddy in jail must be awating a serious payoff, but I just can't get worked up about it either way.

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By: D J Jones http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39766 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:47:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39766 Anyone needing proof of the effects of peds need only to look at the periods before during and after their use to show how much they effected the game offensively. Lets just use 50 home runs in a season as a yardstick. Prior to 1991 which means 119 years there were just 17 times in which a player hit 50 or more home runs the Babe , Mic and Willie accounted for 8 of those times. 1991 to 2009 a period of 19 years which is 100 less there have been 22 players accomplish this feat and none since 2007 when the steriod ----hit the fan. These numbers speak for themselves.

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By: John Bateman http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39763 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:34:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39763 The only reason Bonds OPS+ is so high is because of the amount of walks he had.

At age 39 Bonds had 45 Hr and 101 Rbi and Aaron had 40 hr and 90 Rbi - Bonds played with the new RAWLINGS Ball that was introduced in 1994 and in a more offensive era. From 1993 on Baseball became more of a walk and HR league (getting closer to Softball status)- smaller stadiums and a rapid ball lead to an offensive outburst. Now some of the newer staduims and the Humidor in Colorado (plus a little less rabbit ball) has cause the stats to come down

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By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39707 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39707 Thanks, an interesting read. One of the things I hate about PEDs in all sports is the doubt it has created. Even sports which have a rigorous testing procedure and strong sanctions, you can't be sure if anyone is completely clean.

One of the other thins I'm curious about on the PED subject is people always talk about Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, A-Rod etc. How do we know Aaron wasn't using something? Is he free from suspicion because he played pre 1990?

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By: Zack http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39696 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:17:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39696 Basmati - Bonds' PED use is alleged to have started following the 1998 season, all based on anecdotes about a specific conversation Bonds had with Griffey and a few others at Griffey's house in the off-season.

One recounting of the story: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2368395

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By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39646 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:57:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39646 As someone who wasn't following baseball in the 90s, how are people so sure when Bonds started using PEDs? Judging by some posts on this thread people seem convinced he only started using them some time well into his career?

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By: Scott http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39632 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:07:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39632 Actually Griffey was widely considered the best all around player in baseball in the 90's, not Bonds. However, Bonds was clearly one of the best in the game before he took anything, he was already a Hall of Famer before he used roids and therefore should make it in.

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7854/comment-page-1#comment-39527 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:26:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7854#comment-39527 Still that was nowhere near the improvement that Bonds made. For year after year past 39.

He was good enough to make the Hall absent PEDs, but does it not seem that the degree of advantage he & others took was larger by far than doctored baseballs? Continuing in the face of all the outcry & investigations, & lying about it, including in official investigations, whenever he could. With something that so dramatically effects the integrity of baseball, its records, W-L/champions...Does this not meet the criteria for invoking the ethical standards clause for HOF voting? At least until he admits all & expresses contrition.

It is unfair to assume all cheated. For many the "reasons" not to cheat weigh very heavily: not wanting to be a fraud/cheater/liar/having self respect, whatever the risk of being caught. We cannot know for sure if anyone cheated, but when can penalize players who either likely would not have been good enough absent body & play transforming drugs, or damaged the reputation of the game & cheated other teams/players of victories/opportunities, & still show no remorse.

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