Comments on: Perfect Games – For Batters http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Zim http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37476 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:22:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37476 I too was surprised that Ichiro was not on the list, but batting lead off likely does limit his chances a bit. Same goes for Derek Jeter.

Interesting that Molitor is the only modern player to have a SH in a 4-4 game and what a game it was...He led off with a homer, doubled in his second at bat, then sacrificed a runner to 3rd in the 5th, before hitting another homer and double in his final two at bats. So 12 TB and 1 SH in a game.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37465 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:03:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37465 I don't think that's true, although it makes sense that it should be measured that way. I mean, OBP is just H+BB+HBP/PA....no one counts hits on which batters get thrown out trying to get an extra base.

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By: Matthew http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37443 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:53:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37443 OBP could also be less than 1.000 if a runner was caught trying to turn a single into a double/double into triple, etc... In that situation, they would get credit for a hit (single), but not for being on base.

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By: Richard http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37400 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:10:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37400 Also, the link
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/uKJSC

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By: Richard http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37395 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:07:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37395 I see now that's not exactly what you meant, but there you go! Those are the players with the most games where they reached base in every PA but did not record a hit.

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By: Richard http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37394 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:04:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37394 @ 7
Interesting idea. I set it to PA>=4, AB=0 and PA=TOB
The top two names shouldn't surprise you
Bonds and Ruth each did it five times
Henderson, Larkin, McGwire, Ott, Andy Seminick, and Thome all did it three times.

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By: Evan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37372 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:12:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37372 Alex @19,

No, not confusing AB and PA, Steve required at least 4 for 4 when he framed the conversation in the original article. The IBBs and semi-intentional BBs would rob the batter of the opportunity to get that 4th hit.

We can quibble about what criteria a batter would need to satisfy in order to be considered having had a perfect game, but Steve framed the conversation as 4 for 4 or better and that seems reasonable. Personally, I would exclude any games in which the batter hit a Sacrifice Fly (which is really just a fly out wearing lipstick) in that it is too analogous to giving a pitcher credit for a no hitter/perfect game after a batter is out trying to stretch a single into a double. I'm on the fence about Sacrifice Hits because a greater percentage of them are truly situations where the batter has given up any realistic hope of getting a base hit to accomplish a purpose, usually at the direction of his manager. Granted it is all semantics, but perfect seems like it should be a fairly high standard.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37371 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:52:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37371 The two players who had a 4-for-4 postseason game but never had a 4-for-4 regular-season game: Billy Hatcher, 1990 World Series Game 2, and Chad Fonville (!), 1995 Division Series Game 2. (Hatcher did have a regular-season 5-for-5 game in 1988 for the Astros.)

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37355 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:21:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37355 Interesting to see Brooks Robinson on this list. That sort of serves to remind us that as much as he domiated the game with his leather, Brooks contributed his share with the bat as well.

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By: Brewer 44 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7743/comment-page-1#comment-37348 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:06:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7743#comment-37348 @JDV

Sac Flies count against OBP, sac hits do not.

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